From paul at the-hug.org Mon Sep 1 08:58:58 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:58:58 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Duchess of Sutherland In-Reply-To: <9332.192.168.2.100.1219995925.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> References: <9332.192.168.2.100.1219995925.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> Message-ID: <48BBA0C2.9010701@the-hug.org> Over on the milton-news list I wrote: > Cathedrals Express is Back > -------------------------- > Our old friend the Cathedrals Express is back this Sunday (31/8) hauled > by a train we've not seen coming through Milton before: LMS Coronation > Class 4-6-2 46233 Duchess of Sutherland[1]. > > [1] > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LMS_Princess_Coronation_Class_6233_Duchess_of_Sutherland Through a combination of forgetfulness (the first time) and rain (the second) I didn't see the Duchess of Sutherland. Did anyone else see it and did you get any pics I can link to for the next milton-news posting? -- Paul From tjfs at tjfs.com Mon Sep 1 09:37:48 2008 From: tjfs at tjfs.com (Tim Steele) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:37:48 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Anyone tape the cricket highlights? Message-ID: <11fc5cb30809010137i3db6a9efr200e8df127b58b5e@mail.gmail.com> It's a long shot but.. did anyone tape the cricket highlights last night? I did set the video but it didn't record for some reason. Thanks! From clarke.brunt at viridis.net Mon Sep 1 10:14:08 2008 From: clarke.brunt at viridis.net (Clarke Brunt) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:14:08 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Graffiti on JC bridge Message-ID: <20080901091408.GA15763@brunt.org> I haven't been over the cycle bridge since Friday evening. Sometime between then and now (Monday morning) large red sprayed graffiti has appeared (apparently proclaiming someone's affection for someone else). Spotted in two places so far: at the apex on the bridge on the white 'thing of unknown function', and on the back of an advertising board at the City end. I far I can never work out who to report 'bridge' issues to, not knowing whether its City, South Cambs, or what (as far as I know, at least 4 of the lights are still broken since the vandalism incident months ago). From tjfs at tjfs.com Mon Sep 1 10:21:56 2008 From: tjfs at tjfs.com (Tim Steele) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:21:56 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Graffiti on JC bridge In-Reply-To: <20080901091408.GA15763@brunt.org> References: <20080901091408.GA15763@brunt.org> Message-ID: <11fc5cb30809010221w5f10585arec5ea02657251e92@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Clarke Brunt wrote: > I can never work out who to report 'bridge' issues to I use www.fixmystreet.com - seems as good as any other way of getting things done and is very easy to use. Tim From patsimcock at hotmail.co.uk Mon Sep 1 10:27:33 2008 From: patsimcock at hotmail.co.uk (Pat Simcock) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:27:33 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Milton Chat request Message-ID: Hi Does anyone know if there is knitting group in Milton or nearby? If so can you forward details to me but if not do any knitters or people who crochet, cross stitch or do other needle craft like to join me over a coffee and enjoy our handiwork together maybe once a month....???? thanks Pat Simcock From mary-ann at cantab.net Mon Sep 1 10:29:53 2008 From: mary-ann at cantab.net (Mary-Ann Johnson) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:29:53 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [milton-chat] Milton Chat request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Sep 2008, Pat Simcock wrote: > Does anyone know if there is knitting group in Milton or nearby? If so > can you forward details to me but if not do any knitters or people who > crochet, cross stitch or do other needle craft like to join me over a > coffee and enjoy our handiwork together maybe once a month....???? There's the Stitchers Club: http://www.miltonvillage.org.uk/opus321.html?search_string=stitchers Mary-Ann From lawrence at lion-lamb.co.uk Mon Sep 1 12:44:09 2008 From: lawrence at lion-lamb.co.uk (Lawrence Champion) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:44:09 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] (no subject) Message-ID: <20080901114217.E263A80CA@the-hug.net> Hi, just thought we would say, that if anyone wishes to see a copy of the proposed plans we have submitted to the parish council for the alterations at the Lion and Lamb, or have a chat about them - please feel free to pop in - we have them here at the pub. Lawrence and myself are about nearly all the time and we are more than happy to discuss the plans or any question/issues anyone may have with them. We understand that the online copy of the plans may not be as clear and understandable as they might be and we would much rather alleviate any fears or worries there may be over them straight away. Thanks for your time. Sally & Lawrence Lion & Lamb High Street Milton From mijan at zetnet.co.uk Tue Sep 2 09:43:43 2008 From: mijan at zetnet.co.uk (Michael Williamson) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:43:43 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Citi2 service Message-ID: <001d01c90cd8$0198cc30$4001a8c0@MiJanLaptop> Did anyone experience problems with this service on Saturday afternoon (30th)? I was told by someone that they waited for a very long time around 15.30 to return to Milton from Cambridge and no bus came. Michael Williamson County Councillor for Landbeach, Milton and Waterbeach Tel: 01223 860899 Mob: 07836 748587 From david.s.may at ntlworld.com Tue Sep 2 18:47:52 2008 From: david.s.may at ntlworld.com (David May) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:47:52 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Entry in to our vehicle ... Message-ID: Dear All, I sent the following to e-cops at the weekend; it may be of interest: "I thought I should report an "entry" into our vehicle last night. We had accidentally left one of our vehicles unlocked (though none of the doors were open) last night. This morning the front doors and rear tailgate were ajar. The glovebox was open and the contents on the front seat. Nothing was taken as there was nothing of value in there (I guess whoever it was was hoping there might be a SatNav in there). The upshot is that there is somebody trying car doors and entering vehicles if they are open. Our address is Humphries Way, Milton. Thanks, David May" Dave From sallycat123 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 2 23:04:09 2008 From: sallycat123 at hotmail.com (sally summerfield) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 23:04:09 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Entry in to our vehicle ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don't think this is anything new, it seems to occur quite a lot. It is very disconcerting to think that someone goes round the village trying the doors of cars on the off chance of finding one unlocked.Sally > From: david.s.may at ntlworld.com> To: milton-chat at the-hug.net> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:47:52 +0100> Subject: [milton-chat] Entry in to our vehicle ...> > Dear All,> > I sent the following to e-cops at the weekend; it may be of interest:> > "I thought I should report an "entry" into our vehicle last night. We had accidentally left one of our vehicles unlocked (though none of the doors were open) last night. This morning the front doors and rear tailgate were ajar. The glovebox was open and the contents on the front seat. Nothing was taken as there was nothing of value in there (I guess whoever it was was hoping there might be a SatNav in there). > > The upshot is that there is somebody trying car doors and entering vehicles if they are open. > > Our address is Humphries Way, Milton. > > Thanks,> > David May"> > Dave> -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> List info and how to unsubscribe from milton-chat at:> http://the-hug.net/lists/listinfo/milton-chat Make a mini you and download it into Windows Live Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354029/direct/01/ From clarke.brunt at viridis.net Wed Sep 3 10:50:03 2008 From: clarke.brunt at viridis.net (Clarke Brunt) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:50:03 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Graffiti on JC bridge In-Reply-To: <11fc5cb30809010221w5f10585arec5ea02657251e92@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080901091408.GA15763@brunt.org> <11fc5cb30809010221w5f10585arec5ea02657251e92@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080903095001.GA5509@brunt.org> The phantom red-paint sprayer has been back sometime overnight on Tuesday 2/3 Sep 2008. The name of the target of someone's affection has been sprayed over with yet more red. I guess I'll email ecops as well as getting round to reporting this as in need of cleaning off. From tjfs at tjfs.com Wed Sep 3 12:34:23 2008 From: tjfs at tjfs.com (Tim Steele) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:34:23 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Graffiti on JC bridge In-Reply-To: <20080903095001.GA5509@brunt.org> References: <20080901091408.GA15763@brunt.org> <11fc5cb30809010221w5f10585arec5ea02657251e92@mail.gmail.com> <20080903095001.GA5509@brunt.org> Message-ID: <11fc5cb30809030434x22535a61t8220c740e3c6c296@mail.gmail.com> I've put this on fixmystreet.com From clarke.brunt at viridis.net Wed Sep 3 13:06:30 2008 From: clarke.brunt at viridis.net (Clarke Brunt) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:06:30 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Graffiti on JC bridge In-Reply-To: <11fc5cb30809030434x22535a61t8220c740e3c6c296@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080901091408.GA15763@brunt.org> <11fc5cb30809010221w5f10585arec5ea02657251e92@mail.gmail.com> <20080903095001.GA5509@brunt.org> <11fc5cb30809030434x22535a61t8220c740e3c6c296@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080903120630.GA8963@brunt.org> On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 12:34:23PM +0100, Tim Steele wrote: > I've put this on fixmystreet.com We both have now! Probably at just about the same time, as I didn't see your 'mark' on the map while I was inserting mine. I was just a bit hesitant because I wasn't sure which Council, and wasn't sure that FixMyStreet was going to get it right either, it's so near various bounaries. Anyway, there seems to be general agreement that it's Cambridge City (think it was their 'Street Scene' folks who swept broken glass the last time we had some on there). From clarke.brunt at viridis.net Wed Sep 3 13:16:16 2008 From: clarke.brunt at viridis.net (Clarke Brunt) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:16:16 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Winship Road cycle markings Message-ID: <20080903121616.GB8963@brunt.org> I see that the junction of Winship Road with Cambridge Road was re-marked recently with double-yellow lines, and a 'cycle' warning triangle. I was rather hoping for remodelling of the kerbs to get rid of the wide splays which prevent cyclists on the cycle path from seeing round the corner whether vehicles are coming... As for the effect of the double-yellow lines: will no doubt prevent things from parking unless they can't find another space, in which case they'll just park anyway, as food-van customers continue to do blocking the exit from the cycle bridge. From paul at the-hug.org Wed Sep 3 20:18:04 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:18:04 +0100 (BST) Subject: [milton-chat] Winship Road cycle markings In-Reply-To: <20080903121616.GB8963@brunt.org> References: <20080903121616.GB8963@brunt.org> Message-ID: <11512.192.168.2.100.1220469484.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> On Wed, September 3, 2008 13:16, Clarke Brunt said: > I see that the junction of Winship Road with Cambridge Road was re-marked > recently with double-yellow lines, and a 'cycle' warning triangle. I was > rather hoping for remodelling of the kerbs [...] It's worth bearing in mind that it's a private road: those double yellow lines have no legal authority. As for remodelling the kerbs that was promised as a knock on benefit from the new P&R site ... but I'm not holding my breath - I've seen too many of those sort of things magically disappear once the scheme is underway. -- Paul From jane.coston at miltonvillage.org.uk Wed Sep 3 20:34:14 2008 From: jane.coston at miltonvillage.org.uk (Jane Coston) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:34:14 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Winship Road cycle markings In-Reply-To: <11512.192.168.2.100.1220469484.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> Message-ID: <20080903193420.TPVT19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@worldf099ce2cb> On Monday night at the parish Council meeting I asked our County Councillor, Michael Williamson why these markings had been put down as we were expecting the junction to be remodelled. He is going to look into this. Jane From clarke.brunt at viridis.net Thu Sep 4 09:23:18 2008 From: clarke.brunt at viridis.net (Clarke Brunt) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:23:18 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Broken glass / light on JC bridge In-Reply-To: <20080903120630.GA8963@brunt.org> References: <20080901091408.GA15763@brunt.org> <11fc5cb30809010221w5f10585arec5ea02657251e92@mail.gmail.com> <20080903095001.GA5509@brunt.org> <11fc5cb30809030434x22535a61t8220c740e3c6c296@mail.gmail.com> <20080903120630.GA8963@brunt.org> Message-ID: <20080904082318.GA11212@brunt.org> Well for the last few days, hardly a night goes by without more vandalism on the bridge. This morning, there is a large amount of broken glass on the bridge near the city end. Like a few months ago, this is from a broken light above. Probably a freshly broken lamp, to add to the ones broken months ago and not fixed yet. These broken lights continue to drop pieces of glass after the first lot is swept up, so it's an ongoing problem unless the lights are fixed. Mind you, it's an ongoing problem if they continue to be vandalised as well. I've reported this latest incident to http://www.fixmystreet.com/, seleecting category "Street Cleaning" as this results in email to Cambridge City and might solve the immediate problem of the glass. From hmc at mole.bio.cam.ac.uk Thu Sep 4 09:31:02 2008 From: hmc at mole.bio.cam.ac.uk (Heather Coleman) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:31:02 +0100 (BST) Subject: [milton-chat] Broken glass / light on JC bridge In-Reply-To: <20080904082318.GA11212@brunt.org> References: <20080901091408.GA15763@brunt.org> <11fc5cb30809010221w5f10585arec5ea02657251e92@mail.gmail.com> <20080903095001.GA5509@brunt.org> <11fc5cb30809030434x22535a61t8220c740e3c6c296@mail.gmail.com> <20080903120630.GA8963@brunt.org> <20080904082318.GA11212@brunt.org> Message-ID: Doesn't anyone make vandal-proof street lights? Sounds like there's a market out there for such a thing. Heather On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Clarke Brunt wrote: > Well for the last few days, hardly a night goes by without more vandalism on > the bridge. > > This morning, there is a large amount of broken glass on the bridge near the > city end. Like a few months ago, this is from a broken light above. Probably > a freshly broken lamp, to add to the ones broken months ago and not fixed > yet. These broken lights continue to drop pieces of glass after the first lot > is swept up, so it's an ongoing problem unless the lights are fixed. Mind > you, it's an ongoing problem if they continue to be vandalised as well. > > I've reported this latest incident to http://www.fixmystreet.com/, > seleecting category "Street Cleaning" as this results in email to Cambridge > City and might solve the immediate problem of the glass. From beth at the-hug.org Thu Sep 4 10:18:14 2008 From: beth at the-hug.org (Elizabeth Oldham) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:18:14 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Broken glass / light on JC bridge In-Reply-To: References: <20080901091408.GA15763@brunt.org> <11fc5cb30809010221w5f10585arec5ea02657251e92@mail.gmail.com> <20080903095001.GA5509@brunt.org> <11fc5cb30809030434x22535a61t8220c740e3c6c296@mail.gmail.com> <20080903120630.GA8963@brunt.org> <20080904082318.GA11212@brunt.org> Message-ID: <48BFA7D6.4050200@the-hug.org> Heather Coleman wrote: > Doesn't anyone make vandal-proof street lights? Sounds like there's a > market out there for such a thing. Me thinks a catapult 'about turn' on the perps would be more appropriate. And making the fence under the A14 bridge more secure so they can't hot foot it back to Chesterton Fen when an adult spots them firing stones at the ducks... Beth From david at chamberlin.org.uk Thu Sep 4 11:06:13 2008 From: david at chamberlin.org.uk (Rev David Chamberlin) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:06:13 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Jane Coston bridge again... Message-ID: <48BFB315.1030209@chamberlin.org.uk> Those double yellow lines at the bottom of the Jane Coston bridge are so effective - they keep those pesky parked cars at bay so articulated lorries can park right across the end of the bridge! (There's one there right now.) Happy days, David. -- *Rev David Chamberlin* /Rector of Milton/ The Rectory, 24 Church Lane, Milton, Cambridge, CB24 6AB *t:* 01223 861511 :: *m:* 07761 630775 www.allsaintsmilton.org.uk All Saints Milton logo From clarke.brunt at viridis.net Fri Sep 5 11:48:26 2008 From: clarke.brunt at viridis.net (Clarke Brunt) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:48:26 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Graffiti on JC bridge In-Reply-To: <20080903120630.GA8963@brunt.org> References: <20080901091408.GA15763@brunt.org> <11fc5cb30809010221w5f10585arec5ea02657251e92@mail.gmail.com> <20080903095001.GA5509@brunt.org> <11fc5cb30809030434x22535a61t8220c740e3c6c296@mail.gmail.com> <20080903120630.GA8963@brunt.org> Message-ID: <20080905104826.GA21513@brunt.org> On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 01:06:30PM +0100, Clarke Brunt wrote: > I was just a bit hesitant because I wasn't sure which Council, and wasn't > sure that FixMyStreet was going to get it right either, it's so near various > boundaries. Anyway, there seems to be general agreement that it's Cambridge > City (think it was their 'Street Scene' folks who swept broken glass the > last time we had some on there). Just got a reply from Cambridge City 'ScreetScene about the graffiti on the bridge: > "Thank you for your recent email which has just reached Streetscene. > Unfortunately I'm afraid that this area is in South Cambs and therefore not > within the jurisdiction of Cambridge City." On the other hand, I got another reply from a different part of Cambridge City Council saying that my report of broken glass had been passed to the appropriate crew to get it cleared up. So how is one to work this out? It's only one little bridge, but it appears possible that 3 different Councils (don't) deal with graffiti/broken glass/broken lights/weeds. From hmc at mole.bio.cam.ac.uk Fri Sep 5 12:06:54 2008 From: hmc at mole.bio.cam.ac.uk (Heather Coleman) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:06:54 +0100 (BST) Subject: [milton-chat] Graffiti on JC bridge In-Reply-To: <20080905104826.GA21513@brunt.org> References: <20080901091408.GA15763@brunt.org> <11fc5cb30809010221w5f10585arec5ea02657251e92@mail.gmail.com> <20080903095001.GA5509@brunt.org> <11fc5cb30809030434x22535a61t8220c740e3c6c296@mail.gmail.com> <20080903120630.GA8963@brunt.org> <20080905104826.GA21513@brunt.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Sep 2008, Clarke Brunt wrote: > So how is one to work this out? It's only one little bridge, but it appears > possible that 3 different Councils (don't) deal with graffiti/broken > glass/broken lights/weeds. I'm sure that the City think they end at the southern border of the A14, but South Cambs think they begin at the northern border of the A14. Thus there is a bit in the middle, that is, where it is on the ground, like the carriageway of the A14, Highways Agency. Sadly, owing to the nature of a bridge, it's up in the air and thus no-man's-land! Or, both councils begin and end above the central crash barrier, thus needing to work out exactly above where on the A14 the problem is on the bridge. Maybe we need to draw a "meridian" on the bridge - that would be useful graffiti (tongue in cheek of course)......... It's even more fun trying to work out where one council ends and t'other begins elsewhere (towpath, bits of Cherry Hinton where the line wiggles wildly for example). Heather From clarke.brunt at viridis.net Fri Sep 5 12:22:23 2008 From: clarke.brunt at viridis.net (Clarke Brunt) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:22:23 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Graffiti on JC bridge In-Reply-To: References: <20080901091408.GA15763@brunt.org> <11fc5cb30809010221w5f10585arec5ea02657251e92@mail.gmail.com> <20080903095001.GA5509@brunt.org> <11fc5cb30809030434x22535a61t8220c740e3c6c296@mail.gmail.com> <20080903120630.GA8963@brunt.org> <20080905104826.GA21513@brunt.org> Message-ID: <20080905112223.GA21623@brunt.org> On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 12:06:54PM +0100, Heather Coleman wrote: > I'm sure that the City think they end at the southern border of the A14, > but South Cambs think they begin at the northern border of the A14. Thus > there is a bit in the middle, that is, where it is on the ground, like the > carriageway of the A14, Highways Agency. Sadly, owing to the nature of a > bridge, it's up in the air and thus no-man's-land!... Just tried emailing South Cambs. (so they can tell me that it _is_ in the City?). The only map I've managed to find so far (looking on both Cambridge City and South Cambridgeshire websites) is one which shows most of the bridge being in East Chesterton ward of Cambridge City... http://www.cambridge.gov.uk/ccm/cms-service/download/asset/?asset_id=8668070 From s.r.e.turner at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 14:25:06 2008 From: s.r.e.turner at gmail.com (Stephen Turner) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:25:06 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Graffiti on JC bridge In-Reply-To: References: <20080901091408.GA15763@brunt.org> <11fc5cb30809010221w5f10585arec5ea02657251e92@mail.gmail.com> <20080903095001.GA5509@brunt.org> <11fc5cb30809030434x22535a61t8220c740e3c6c296@mail.gmail.com> <20080903120630.GA8963@brunt.org> <20080905104826.GA21513@brunt.org> Message-ID: <40e7475b0809050625i75650bd1l879588ee194d1e77@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/5 Heather Coleman : > > I'm sure that the City think they end at the southern border of the A14, > but South Cambs think they begin at the northern border of the A14. Thus > there is a bit in the middle, that is, where it is on the ground, like the > carriageway of the A14, Highways Agency. Sadly, owing to the nature of a > bridge, it's up in the air and thus no-man's-land! > > Or, both councils begin and end above the central crash barrier, thus > needing to work out exactly above where on the A14 the problem is on the > bridge. Maybe we need to draw a "meridian" on the bridge - that would be > useful graffiti (tongue in cheek of course)......... > If I'm reading the 1:25000 OS map correctly, the bridge is wholly in the City. See http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getamap/frames.htm?mapAction=gaz&gazName=g&gazString=TL473620 -- Stephen Turner From hazel.smith at miltonvillage.org.uk Fri Sep 5 14:50:00 2008 From: hazel.smith at miltonvillage.org.uk (Hazel Smith) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:50:00 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Graffiti on JC bridge References: <20080901091408.GA15763@brunt.org><11fc5cb30809010221w5f10585arec5ea02657251e92@mail.gmail.com><20080903095001.GA5509@brunt.org><11fc5cb30809030434x22535a61t8220c740e3c6c296@mail.gmail.com><20080903120630.GA8963@brunt.org> <20080905104826.GA21513@brunt.org> <40e7475b0809050625i75650bd1l879588ee194d1e77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <016f01c90f5e$4acbc320$0402a8c0@scdc00002315> The cycle bridge is mostly in the City. I have been trying to get the City Council to take responsibility for spraying off the weeds at the side of the bridge, which will undermine and destroy the surface. Not to mention clearing glass, litter etc. Strictly speaking it is the responsibility of the County Council, but the City Council has a contract to do this type of work (and hedge cutting) on behalf of the County in their area. Nobody had put maintenance of the bridge, or the foot and cycle path which lead up to it, on any schedules until recently. I pointed out that the nettles were a metre high, and they did cut them and the grass. Similarly, the hedge which was cut in May was done after I pointed out the dangers of pedestrians having to walk on the cycle track side. If enough people point out the problems to the City Council it can only help ... Hazel Smith > If I'm reading the 1:25000 OS map correctly, the bridge is wholly in > the City. See > http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getamap/frames.htm?mapAction=gaz&gazName=g&gazString=TL473620 From day at daybarr.com Mon Sep 8 09:46:37 2008 From: day at daybarr.com (Day Barr) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 09:46:37 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Graffiti on JC bridge In-Reply-To: <016f01c90f5e$4acbc320$0402a8c0@scdc00002315> References: <20080901091408.GA15763@brunt.org><11fc5cb30809010221w5f10585arec5ea02657251e92@mail.gmail.com><20080903095001.GA5509@brunt.org><11fc5cb30809030434x22535a61t8220c740e3c6c296@mail.gmail.com><20080903120630.GA8963@brunt.org> <20080905104826.GA21513@brunt.org> <40e7475b0809050625i75650bd1l879588ee194d1e77@mail.gmail.com> <016f01c90f5e$4acbc320$0402a8c0@scdc00002315> Message-ID: <48C4E66D.4040308@daybarr.com> Hazel Smith wrote: > If enough people point out the problems to the City Council it can only help At 9.20 this morning I saw a fella taking photos of the graffiti at the middle of the bridge. He then climbed back into his "City Services" van parked on Cowley Road. So it looks like the City Council has taken an interest. -- Day From clarke.brunt at viridis.net Mon Sep 8 12:52:30 2008 From: clarke.brunt at viridis.net (Clarke Brunt) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:52:30 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Broken glass / light on JC bridge In-Reply-To: References: <20080901091408.GA15763@brunt.org> <11fc5cb30809010221w5f10585arec5ea02657251e92@mail.gmail.com> <20080903095001.GA5509@brunt.org> <11fc5cb30809030434x22535a61t8220c740e3c6c296@mail.gmail.com> <20080903120630.GA8963@brunt.org> <20080904082318.GA11212@brunt.org> Message-ID: <20080908115229.GA14299@brunt.org> Had reason to cycle over the bridge in the dark last night. There are now 7 of the lights not working (most, if not all, due to vandalism - cover glass and bulb smashed). Not sure how many working ones that leaves - perhaps around the same number. The last I knew of repairs to the lights (from months ago) was that the County Council had informed 'Highways' whose responsibility it was. Would be nice to get a quicker response on the broken glass (still there this morning) before it causes too many punctures... From s.r.e.turner at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 09:47:01 2008 From: s.r.e.turner at gmail.com (Stephen Turner) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:47:01 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Google car in Milton? Message-ID: <40e7475b0809100147i6bf518dcv3d139d9d088b108f@mail.gmail.com> I'm not sure about this, but I believe I may have just seen a Google Street View car in Pearson Close. A black car with eight cameras mounted on a pole on the roof drove up the road, turned round at the end and drove straight out again. Has anyone else seen it? -- Stephen Turner From paul at the-hug.org Wed Sep 10 09:53:13 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:53:13 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Google car in Milton? In-Reply-To: <40e7475b0809100147i6bf518dcv3d139d9d088b108f@mail.gmail.com> References: <40e7475b0809100147i6bf518dcv3d139d9d088b108f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C78AF9.6020707@the-hug.org> On 10/09/08 09:47, Stephen Turner wrote: > I'm not sure about this, but I believe I may have just seen a Google > Street View car in Pearson Close. A black car with eight cameras > mounted on a pole on the roof drove up the road, turned round at the > end and drove straight out again. Has anyone else seen it? It has been working its way around Cambridge so I'm not surprised. -- Paul From paul at the-hug.org Wed Sep 10 09:56:38 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:56:38 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Google car in Milton? In-Reply-To: <48C78AF9.6020707@the-hug.org> References: <40e7475b0809100147i6bf518dcv3d139d9d088b108f@mail.gmail.com> <48C78AF9.6020707@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <48C78BC6.8080507@the-hug.org> > It has been working its way around Cambridge so I'm not surprised. First sighting in Milton though according to The Register's map http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/15/google_spycar_map/ so well done. I now have my camera at the ready although it may have already done us while I was in the shower. -- Paul From milton at percysnoodle.com Wed Sep 10 09:59:24 2008 From: milton at percysnoodle.com (Simon Booth) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:59:24 +0100 (BST) Subject: [milton-chat] Google car in Milton? In-Reply-To: <40e7475b0809100147i6bf518dcv3d139d9d088b108f@mail.gmail.com> References: <40e7475b0809100147i6bf518dcv3d139d9d088b108f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <58759.86.7.27.75.1221037164.squirrel@www.percysnoodle.com> Stephen Turner wrote: > I'm not sure about this, but I believe I may have just seen a Google > Street View car in Pearson Close. A black car with eight cameras > mounted on a pole on the roof drove up the road, turned round at the > end and drove straight out again. Has anyone else seen it? It passed me in Landbeach, and again on the road to Cottenham, one morning last week. A friend saw it on the Rowans later that day. -- Simon From sjc74 at cam.ac.uk Wed Sep 10 11:31:51 2008 From: sjc74 at cam.ac.uk (Stephanie Clarke) Date: 10 Sep 2008 11:31:51 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Google car in Milton? In-Reply-To: <48C78BC6.8080507@the-hug.org> References: <40e7475b0809100147i6bf518dcv3d139d9d088b108f@mail.gmail.com> <48C78AF9.6020707@the-hug.org> <48C78BC6.8080507@the-hug.org> Message-ID: On Sep 10 2008, Paul Oldham wrote: > >so well done. I now have my camera at the ready although it may have >already done us while I was in the shower. > Maybe we should make some large rude messages to prop up against the street name signs if we see it coming... From clarke.brunt at viridis.net Wed Sep 10 12:27:29 2008 From: clarke.brunt at viridis.net (Clarke Brunt) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:27:29 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Google car in Milton? In-Reply-To: References: <40e7475b0809100147i6bf518dcv3d139d9d088b108f@mail.gmail.com> <48C78AF9.6020707@the-hug.org> <48C78BC6.8080507@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <20080910112729.GA29731@brunt.org> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:31:51AM +0100, Stephanie Clarke wrote: > Maybe we should make some large rude messages to prop up against the street > name signs if we see it coming... No need to bother with Butt Lane then (esp. for Google users from the USA). From david at chamberlin.org.uk Wed Sep 10 12:38:41 2008 From: david at chamberlin.org.uk (Rev David Chamberlin) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:38:41 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Google car in Milton? In-Reply-To: <40e7475b0809100147i6bf518dcv3d139d9d088b108f@mail.gmail.com> References: <40e7475b0809100147i6bf518dcv3d139d9d088b108f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C7B1C1.80109@chamberlin.org.uk> Stephen Turner wrote: > I'm not sure about this, but I believe I may have just seen a Google > Street View car in Pearson Close. A black car with eight cameras > mounted on a pole on the roof drove up the road, turned round at the > end and drove straight out again. Has anyone else seen it? > > I saw it turning from Fen Road into Coles Road at about 9.40am. David. -- *Rev David Chamberlin* /Rector of Milton/ The Rectory, 24 Church Lane, Milton, Cambridge, CB24 6AB *t:* 01223 861511 :: *m:* 07761 630775 www.allsaintsmilton.org.uk All Saints Milton logo From sallycat123 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 10 12:47:43 2008 From: sallycat123 at hotmail.com (sally summerfield) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:47:43 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Google car in Milton? In-Reply-To: <48C7B1C1.80109@chamberlin.org.uk> References: <40e7475b0809100147i6bf518dcv3d139d9d088b108f@mail.gmail.com> <48C7B1C1.80109@chamberlin.org.uk> Message-ID: Anyone not seen it? We saw it pulling out onto the A10 near the allotments Sally> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:38:41 +0100> From: david at chamberlin.org.uk> To: milton-chat at the-hug.net> Subject: Re: [milton-chat] Google car in Milton?> > Stephen Turner wrote:> > I'm not sure about this, but I believe I may have just seen a Google> > Street View car in Pearson Close. A black car with eight cameras> > mounted on a pole on the roof drove up the road, turned round at the> > end and drove straight out again. Has anyone else seen it?> >> > > I saw it turning from Fen Road into Coles Road at about 9.40am.> > David.> > -- > *Rev David Chamberlin*> /Rector of Milton/> The Rectory, 24 Church Lane, Milton, Cambridge, CB24 6AB> *t:* 01223 861511 :: *m:* 07761 630775> www.allsaintsmilton.org.uk All > Saints Milton logo> > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> List info and how to unsubscribe from milton-chat at:> http://the-hug.net/lists/listinfo/milton-chat Discover Bird's Eye View now with Multimap from Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354026/direct/01/ From beth at the-hug.org Wed Sep 10 12:51:59 2008 From: beth at the-hug.org (Elizabeth Oldham) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:51:59 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Google car in Milton? In-Reply-To: References: <40e7475b0809100147i6bf518dcv3d139d9d088b108f@mail.gmail.com> <48C7B1C1.80109@chamberlin.org.uk> Message-ID: <48C7B4DF.3030503@the-hug.org> sally summerfield wrote: > Anyone not seen it? We saw it pulling out onto the A10 near the allotments I've not seen it ... Beth From shanjayne at hotmail.com Thu Sep 11 06:42:48 2008 From: shanjayne at hotmail.com (Shan *) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:42:48 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Google car in Milton? In-Reply-To: <48C7B4DF.3030503@the-hug.org> References: <40e7475b0809100147i6bf518dcv3d139d9d088b108f@mail.gmail.com> <48C7B1C1.80109@chamberlin.org.uk> <48C7B4DF.3030503@the-hug.org> Message-ID: Me neither! Starting to feel like I need to spend more of my day back in Milton... > Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:51:59 +0100 > From: beth at the-hug.org > To: milton-chat at the-hug.net > Subject: Re: [milton-chat] Google car in Milton? > > sally summerfield wrote: > > Anyone not seen it? We saw it pulling out onto the A10 near the allotments > > I've not seen it ... > > Beth > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List info and how to unsubscribe from milton-chat at: > http://the-hug.net/lists/listinfo/milton-chat From denis at dwpayne.net Fri Sep 12 06:40:10 2008 From: denis at dwpayne.net (Denis Payne) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 06:40:10 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] [milton-news] Milton News 12/09/2008 In-Reply-To: <20080912052949.8DF162B8001@the-hug.vm.bytemark.co.uk> References: <20080912052949.8DF162B8001@the-hug.vm.bytemark.co.uk> Message-ID: <48CA00BA.1050902@dwpayne.net> Milton Draws the Short Straw on Waste, Again I went to the meeting at Cottenham last night and I would wholeheartedly recommend asking some searching questions What I think I heard was: - the recycling centre lifetime has been extended to match that of the site - I was real surprised about that, but that was what I heard - the Highways Agency will need lots of material (7,000,000 tons of it) to widen the A14. Some of that will be sand, gravel etc (coming from the Mendips and elsewhere), some of that will be clay coming from "borrow pits" (small puts dug locally which will then become "balance ponds" to help drainage). They are proposing to take a few hundred thousand cubic metres of clay from Milton Landfill - which will, in their words, provide more capacity ... Denis From paul at the-hug.org Fri Sep 12 08:21:34 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:21:34 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] [milton-news] Milton News 12/09/2008 In-Reply-To: <48CA00BA.1050902@dwpayne.net> References: <20080912052949.8DF162B8001@the-hug.vm.bytemark.co.uk> <48CA00BA.1050902@dwpayne.net> Message-ID: <48CA187E.2030606@the-hug.org> On 12/09/08 06:40, Denis Payne wrote: > Milton Draws the Short Straw on Waste, Again > > I went to the meeting at Cottenham last night and I would > wholeheartedly recommend asking some searching questions > What I think I heard was: > - the recycling centre lifetime has been extended to match that of the > site - I was real surprised about that, Me too, I'm sure I read (I'll have to check again now - although I see the County Council web server is completely borked at the moment) that they were proposing to close that before the land fill. > but that was what I heard > - the Highways Agency will need lots of material (7,000,000 tons of it) > to widen the A14. Some of that will be sand, gravel etc (coming from > the Mendips and elsewhere), some of that will be clay coming from > "borrow pits" (small puts dug locally which will then become "balance > ponds" to help drainage). They are proposing to take a few hundred > thousand cubic metres of clay from Milton Landfill - which will, in > their words, provide more capacity ... Oh joy, so yet another life extension. I didn't see mention of that in the online docs - I'll have to take another look once the web site is back online. (For new readers the original land fill site was created from a "borrow pit" used to build the A14 (then A145) in the first place.) Thanks for the "heads up" Denis. -- Paul From paul at the-hug.org Fri Sep 12 10:55:03 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:55:03 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] [milton-news] Milton News 12/09/2008 In-Reply-To: <48CA187E.2030606@the-hug.org> References: <20080912052949.8DF162B8001@the-hug.vm.bytemark.co.uk> <48CA00BA.1050902@dwpayne.net> <48CA187E.2030606@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <48CA3C77.3030803@the-hug.org> On 12/09/08 08:21, I wrote: > On 12/09/08 06:40, Denis Payne wrote: > >> Milton Draws the Short Straw on Waste, Again >> >> I went to the meeting at Cottenham last night and I would >> wholeheartedly recommend asking some searching questions >> What I think I heard was: >> - the recycling centre lifetime has been extended to match that of the >> site - I was real surprised about that, > > Me too, I'm sure I read (I'll have to check again now - although I see > the County Council web server is completely borked at the moment) that > they were proposing to close that before the land fill. Ah, what it says in the web summary is: "Are there going to be any other waste facilities in the Cambridge Northern Fringe (East)? Yes, two other proposals are being made. The first is for a new (household) Recycling Centre to replace Milton Recycling Centre, which is a temporary, open-air facility. The new recycling facility would be permanent, modern and enclosed, making it easier to control noise, dust, odour and wind-blown litter. It would be very different to the existing facility at Milton." http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/environment/planning/mineralswasteplan/cnfefaqs.htm No mention of timescales though and I've not found the location of that yet. I need to read the whole document pack through more carefully: the post to milton-news was just an opening shot so that people were aware of the issue and the roadshow visit next week. -- Paul From jen at nicecupofteaandasitdown.com Tue Sep 16 11:41:43 2008 From: jen at nicecupofteaandasitdown.com (Jen) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:41:43 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Buses and trains Message-ID: <814386A3-8622-4ABC-8A56-5C1134E5D3AE@nicecupofteaandasitdown.com> Grrrr. I'm off to Stansted tomorrow and decided I'd get the train, via the bus from Milton. How silly was I to think it'd be straightforward? I need to be at Stansted around 2-2.30. As the Stansted train from Cambridge is once an hour that means I need to get the one that gets in at 13.49. It leaves Cambs at 13.09. To catch that one I have to get the 12.35 from Waterbeach, as it only goes once an hour too. To catch this one, I have to get the once an hour 9a bus. Which gets to Waterbeach at 34 past the hour, one minute before the hourly Cambs train. Impossible to do in a minute, so to get the 12.35 from Waterbeach, you have to get on the bus at Milton at 11.27. I think I'll skip the bus and go on my bike instead. Shame the bus and the train are so incompatible. I hate travelling. Jen From hmc at mole.bio.cam.ac.uk Tue Sep 16 11:50:08 2008 From: hmc at mole.bio.cam.ac.uk (Heather Coleman) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:50:08 +0100 (BST) Subject: [milton-chat] Buses and trains In-Reply-To: <814386A3-8622-4ABC-8A56-5C1134E5D3AE@nicecupofteaandasitdown.com> References: <814386A3-8622-4ABC-8A56-5C1134E5D3AE@nicecupofteaandasitdown.com> Message-ID: Citi2 to Mill Rd and walk along Tension Rd to Cambridge station? Would that be any better? Avoids having to do the Waterbeach train, just in case that's running late. Traffic ought to be OK at that time of day. Heather On Tue, 16 Sep 2008, Jen wrote: > Grrrr. I'm off to Stansted tomorrow and decided I'd get the train, > via the bus from Milton. How silly was I to think it'd be > straightforward? > > I need to be at Stansted around 2-2.30. As the Stansted train from > Cambridge is once an hour that means I need to get the one that gets > in at 13.49. It leaves Cambs at 13.09. To catch that one I have to > get the 12.35 from Waterbeach, as it only goes once an hour too. To > catch this one, I have to get the once an hour 9a bus. Which gets to > Waterbeach at 34 past the hour, one minute before the hourly Cambs > train. Impossible to do in a minute, so to get the 12.35 from > Waterbeach, you have to get on the bus at Milton at 11.27. > > I think I'll skip the bus and go on my bike instead. Shame the bus > and the train are so incompatible. > > I hate travelling. > > Jen > From jen at nicecupofteaandasitdown.com Tue Sep 16 12:01:53 2008 From: jen at nicecupofteaandasitdown.com (Jen) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:01:53 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Buses and trains In-Reply-To: References: <814386A3-8622-4ABC-8A56-5C1134E5D3AE@nicecupofteaandasitdown.com> Message-ID: <9AE159A6-E39F-4109-8621-3BFC3FFE71EA@nicecupofteaandasitdown.com> On 16 Sep 2008, at 11:50, Heather Coleman wrote: > Citi2 to Mill Rd and walk along Tension Rd to Cambridge station? > Would > that be any better? Avoids having to do the Waterbeach train, just in > case that's running late. Traffic ought to be OK at that time of day. > Heather > Hmm. That could be an option. I must admit I tend to ignore the citi2 as it goes all round the houses and seems to be a tad unreliable. Not got it for ages though. The timetable reckons it takes about 45 mins to Mill Rd. I'm not sure if I can take the tension of it if the traffic's bad! Jen From anna.bradnam at btinternet.com Tue Sep 16 12:09:54 2008 From: anna.bradnam at btinternet.com (Anna Bradnam) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:09:54 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Buses and trains References: <814386A3-8622-4ABC-8A56-5C1134E5D3AE@nicecupofteaandasitdown.com> Message-ID: <86F445BBE5514D0A89D8684C372D18DF@Evesham> Hope your journey goes well tomorrow - however you end up doing it. It's a shame you can't use the Citi2 which goes every 10 mins from Milton - or perhaps you could? It is maddening that you can travel from London in an hour but it takes a couple of hours to get home. I wish Cambridge would completely re-design the railway/coach/bus station so that 1) buses can go directly to the railway station and then all stop in town. Why didn't they move the bus station to the new CB1site? 2) there is sensible parking for those travelling by car then coach (Trumpington P&R is better for this) 3) there is enough cycle parking at the railway station Anna Bradnam [quoted text snipped - see http://the-hug.org/quoting.html] From paul at the-hug.org Thu Sep 18 09:38:18 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:38:18 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Catapults etc Message-ID: <48D2137A.4020000@the-hug.org> Cllr Hazel Smith attended a meeting of the Old Chesterton Residents Association this week. They're having problems with someone using a catapult to put out street lights and punch holes through toughened glass windows in shops, phone boxes and bus shelters and recently some house windows too. There's a meeting being held to discuss this and other anti-social behaviour in Chesterton on Monday 29th September 7.30 to 8.30 p.m. at the Methodist Church in Green End Road. She wondered whether those from Milton who have suffered might be interested to attend and find out what the police are reporting in the City area, as this is a problem we share ... -- Paul From anna.bradnam at btinternet.com Thu Sep 18 09:38:37 2008 From: anna.bradnam at btinternet.com (Anna Bradnam) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:38:37 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Chinese lanterns Message-ID: <119A351C69994252ADADCC6B823BE965@Evesham> A little while ago someone asked - via Milton Chat - about a string of lights in the sky over Milton. I've just read in CEN, letters page 17/09/08, from Norman Unwin, Impington, "The lights in the sky that I and at least one other reported to the News: A more informed friend tells me they are "Chinese lanterns", which are a new sort of mini hot-air balloon that people are now sending up in numbers at parties/celebrations." Anna Bradnam From clillyman at waitrose.com Thu Sep 18 09:59:33 2008 From: clillyman at waitrose.com (clillyman) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:59:33 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Attempted break-ins in the Rowans. Message-ID: <000a01c9196c$df270ad0$0301a8c0@your4105e587b6> We understand that on Friday the12th Sept there were at least 3 attempted break-ins in the Rowans. The attempts were made via the back gates. At the same time several cars that were parked outside the houses were also attacked. I believe that an actual break-in occurred in the Rowans (or near by). The houses which were attempted were saved by external lights that came on when people approached the gates. The police were notified at the time! Another problem we have arising this coming Friday is the collection of jumble for the scouts...Strangely on the same evening at about the same time there is a collection of clothing by one of the phoney "charities". So perhaps it would be a good idea to keep an eye open to make sure the scouts get their jumble. Angie From clarke.brunt at viridis.net Thu Sep 18 11:37:30 2008 From: clarke.brunt at viridis.net (Clarke Brunt) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:37:30 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Catapults etc In-Reply-To: <48D2137A.4020000@the-hug.org> References: <48D2137A.4020000@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <20080918103730.GA18621@brunt.org> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 09:38:18AM +0100, Paul Oldham wrote: > Cllr Hazel Smith attended a meeting > of the Old Chesterton Residents Association this week. They're having > problems with someone using a catapult to put out street lights... Perhaps the same as has been used to put out the lights on the Jane Coston cycle bridge. Cycled over in the dark last night - score now approximately 7 broken, 4 working. I don't really care about the illumination, and the lack of light is no doubt saving energy - but it's the broken glass from the lights that annoys me - no punctures so far, but perhaps just luck. I'm afraid I've given up for the time being on my attempts to report the problems on the bridge to Councils (broken lights, glass, graffiti, weeds). I can see the difficulty in working out which Council is responsible for what. Cambridge City were just playing tit-for-tat - told me it wasn't in the City, I said it was, then "It's the County, since it's a road", etc. Net result: nothing done whatsoever to fix the problems. I know Hazel Smith has already put some effort into nailing down who's responsible (at least for weeds), but what are we to do to ever get anything done (esp. on the broken glass front). From rda.998 at virgin.net Thu Sep 18 20:12:41 2008 From: rda.998 at virgin.net (Richard Davies) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:12:41 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Haven't seen one of those in Milton for a while... Message-ID: <002a01c919c2$86ccac40$b5aa1b56@chadweasel> ...a PCSO. Hooray! Perhaps he's out patrolling; on the lookout for those intend on breaking windows, stealing wallets, damaging cars, breaking and entering, stealing lead etc. Alas no. He was in Tesco buying lots of cakes. :-( Regards, Richard From jane.coston at miltonvillage.org.uk Fri Sep 19 00:41:56 2008 From: jane.coston at miltonvillage.org.uk (Jane Coston) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:41:56 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Bridge In-Reply-To: <20080918103730.GA18621@brunt.org> Message-ID: <20080918234159.PCVV29597.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@worldf099ce2cb> I emailed the county on the 9th September with this list asking for confirmation on who is now responsible for what so I have a complete picture. Sweeping the bridge Graffiti Lighting Paint work Main structure The land and planting under the bridge Cutting back the hedges on the City side Cutting back the hedges on South Cambs side Cutting the verges on the City side Salting the bridge Also where exactly does each authorities responsibilities start & finish? (I understand this may be where the ramps join the main structure) When the CCTV goes in - will this be the responsibility of the County Council? Have I missed anything? So far I have not had a reply from the County. Unfortunately there are a possible 4 authorities involved which appears to cause confusion - South Cambs, City Council, County Council & the Highways Agency! Jane From mijan at zetnet.co.uk Fri Sep 19 10:13:45 2008 From: mijan at zetnet.co.uk (Michael Williamson) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:13:45 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Minerals and Waste plan Message-ID: <4383E67A36074A3A86E26ADDB441CD00@MiJanLaptop> Further to Paul's report of the exhibition in Milton News, I did question the officers who were there fairly thoroughly about the extra clay needed for the A14. The points that came out of the discussion were: 1 They want material for the widening to come from as near as possible to where it is to be used. This should reduce traffic on local roads. 2 Deepening the existing hole is preferable to digging a new one next to it because the latter would extend the potential life of the landfill site even further (the explanation is slightly complex and I can give it in a bit more detail to anyone who might like it) 3 They say that digging the hole deeper would extend the life of the site by a maximum of two years. Hope that may be of interest. Michael Williamson County Councillor for Landbeach, Milton and Waterbeach Tel: 01223 860899 Mob: 07836 748587 From paul at the-hug.org Fri Sep 19 11:09:51 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:09:51 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Minerals and Waste plan In-Reply-To: <4383E67A36074A3A86E26ADDB441CD00@MiJanLaptop> References: <4383E67A36074A3A86E26ADDB441CD00@MiJanLaptop> Message-ID: <48D37A6F.7090409@the-hug.org> On 19/09/08 10:13, Michael Williamson wrote: > 3 They say that digging the hole deeper would extend the life of the site by > a maximum of two years. That's the bit they didn't say to me. It's an interesting observation. That implies the land fill site is taking in around 100,000m3 of waste a year. Do we have any independent way of checking that figure? ... not that it makes any real difference mind you: the way we're going is that land fill rates are surely going to reduce (through a combination of market pressures brought on by land fill tax, transport costs and the increase in re-cycling) so even without them making the hole bigger the chances of needing yet another extension after 2020 must be pretty likely. -- Paul From clarke.brunt at viridis.net Fri Sep 19 12:47:08 2008 From: clarke.brunt at viridis.net (Clarke Brunt) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:47:08 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Bridge In-Reply-To: <20080918234159.PCVV29597.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@worldf099ce2cb> References: <20080918103730.GA18621@brunt.org> <20080918234159.PCVV29597.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@worldf099ce2cb> Message-ID: <20080919114708.GA24855@brunt.org> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 12:41:56AM +0100, Jane Coston wrote: > I emailed the county on the 9th September with this list asking for > confirmation on who is now responsible for what so I have a complete > picture... Glad to know this is in hand, and by someone with more of a clue who to get in touch with than I have. In case relevant to Jane's (or Hazel's) pursuing of this: I got a phone call from someone at South Cambs. this morning (don't remember name unfortunately) - she was responding to an email from me sent around a couple of weeks ago after Cambridge City said the bridge wasn't in the City (of course, we believe that most of it _is_). She was also trying to chase up who was responsible for what - seemed good of her, seeing as it's likely that almost none of it is South Cambs. responsibility. From clarke.brunt at viridis.net Fri Sep 19 12:54:55 2008 From: clarke.brunt at viridis.net (Clarke Brunt) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:54:55 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Haven't seen one of those in Milton for a while... In-Reply-To: <002a01c919c2$86ccac40$b5aa1b56@chadweasel> References: <002a01c919c2$86ccac40$b5aa1b56@chadweasel> Message-ID: <20080919115455.GA25090@brunt.org> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 08:12:41PM +0100, Richard Davies wrote: > ...a PCSO. > He was in Tesco buying lots of cakes. Just got a message from West Chesterton ecops announcing their two latest PCSOs. Perhaps they're having 'welcome to the force' cakes at lunchtime. Wonder how PCSOs are allocated to areas? Do they e.g. volunteer for them perhaps because of living there? From rda.998 at virgin.net Fri Sep 19 15:47:04 2008 From: rda.998 at virgin.net (Richard Davies) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:47:04 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Haven't seen one of those in Milton for a while... References: <002a01c919c2$86ccac40$b5aa1b56@chadweasel> Message-ID: <009f01c91a66$96013e20$ceed0352@chadweasel> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008, Richard Davies wrote: > ...a PCSO. > > He was in Tesco buying lots of cakes. > Having just cycled through the village, I should report that I saw two PCSOs. One told me that responsibility for the Milton 'patch' is currently being shared between three of them. They are expecting a new PCSO to be allocated to Milton in a few weeks time. I should also say that they weren't eating cakes. Regards, Richard From tjfs at tjfs.com Fri Sep 19 21:51:15 2008 From: tjfs at tjfs.com (Tim Steele) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:51:15 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Fwd: Jane Coston Cycle Bridge, Milton In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11fc5cb30809191351h26b95c0awef19876386d2d0ff@mail.gmail.com> From: Street Lighting Date: Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:35 AM Subject: Jane Coston Cycle Bridge, Milton To: cambridgeshiregovuk at tjfs.com Morning Tim Unfortunately these lights are not maintained by us, they are maintained by the Highways Agency. The Highways Agency were made aware of this problem a few weeks ago and advised us they will be fixing these lights. Regards Rachael Woods Street Lighting Columns number : or Nearest house number: Tesco Milton Street name: Jane Coston Cycle Bridge, Milton City/ Town/ Village: Milton Nature of defect Out Most of the lights on this bridge are now out (looks as if they were smashed with a catapult) Your name: Tim Steele Daytime telephone number: 01223 566066 Your email address: cambridgeshiregovuk at tjfs.com From heather__richardson at hotmail.com Sat Sep 20 10:38:18 2008 From: heather__richardson at hotmail.com (heather__richardson at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:38:18 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Allotment theft Message-ID: Just come back from the allotments having discovered our old shed had been broken into and an old fork and spade stolen. We don't keep anything of great value in there obviously as we know it is not secure! Thieves obviously came in or out over fence from next allotment as part of our fence is down and next door's is bent where someone has climbed over. From anna.bradnam at btinternet.com Thu Sep 18 11:49:38 2008 From: anna.bradnam at btinternet.com (Anna Bradnam) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:49:38 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Attempted break-ins in the Rowans. References: <000a01c9196c$df270ad0$0301a8c0@your4105e587b6> Message-ID: clillyman said, > We understand that on Friday the12th Sept there were at least 3 attempted > break-ins in the Rowans. The door of the Milton Flower Shop was booted-in on Wed 17th at 1.30 am. They were disturbed and police alerted. I gather Waterbeach PO was broken into the same night... Anna [quoted text snipped - see http://the-hug.org/quoting.html] From heather__richardson at hotmail.com Sat Sep 20 12:46:12 2008 From: heather__richardson at hotmail.com (heather__richardson at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 12:46:12 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Allotment theft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just add to that list - wheelbarrow gone as well!. -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 10:38 AM To: "Milton Chat" Subject: [milton-chat] Allotment theft > Just come back from the allotments having discovered our old shed had been > broken into and an old fork and spade stolen. We don't keep anything of > great value in there obviously as we know it is not secure! Thieves > obviously came in or out over fence from next allotment as part of our > fence is down and next door's is bent where someone has climbed over. From jim at umor.co.uk Sat Sep 20 12:55:08 2008 From: jim at umor.co.uk (Jim Mowatt) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 12:55:08 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Allotment theft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was up there Thursday and was talking to a few people who had suffered break ins to their sheds and quite a number of tools had been stolen. The chap I was talking to seemed to think they had parked a van on the A14 and hopped over the fence to start looting the sheds. 2008/9/20 > Just come back from the allotments having discovered our old shed had been > broken into and an old fork and spade stolen. We don't keep anything of > great value in there obviously as we know it is not secure! Thieves > obviously came in or out over fence from next allotment as part of our fence > is down and next door's is bent where someone has climbed over. From s.r.e.turner at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 13:51:47 2008 From: s.r.e.turner at gmail.com (Stephen Turner) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:51:47 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Allotment theft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40e7475b0809200551v424427b4kbea046e5f0f283c9@mail.gmail.com> http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/cn_news_cambridge/displayarticle.asp?id=350613 -- Stephen Turner From heather__richardson at hotmail.com Sat Sep 20 13:54:58 2008 From: heather__richardson at hotmail.com (heather__richardson at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:54:58 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Allotment theft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That would seem likely as the "trail" of bent fencing and open gates seemed to lead across the allotments towards the main road. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Mowatt" Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:55 PM To: "Milton Chat" Subject: Re: [milton-chat] Allotment theft > I was up there Thursday and was talking to a few people who had suffered > break ins to their sheds and quite a number of tools had been stolen. > The chap I was talking to seemed to think they had parked a van on the A14 > and hopped over the fence to start looting the sheds. > > > > > 2008/9/20 > >> Just come back from the allotments having discovered our old shed had >> been >> broken into and an old fork and spade stolen. We don't keep anything of >> great value in there obviously as we know it is not secure! Thieves >> obviously came in or out over fence from next allotment as part of our >> fence >> is down and next door's is bent where someone has climbed over. From paul at the-hug.org Sat Sep 20 14:35:28 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:35:28 +0100 (BST) Subject: [milton-chat] Allotment theft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24359.192.168.2.100.1221917728.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> On Sat, September 20, 2008 13:54, heather__richardson at hotmail.com said: > That would seem likely as the "trail" of bent fencing and open gates > seemed to lead across the allotments towards the main road. That was the pattern the last time this was an issue too and I thought the solution the allotment holders came up with was to plant brambles or something equally thorny along the fence next to the lay by. Did that not happen? -- Paul From paul at the-hug.org Sat Sep 20 19:16:01 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:16:01 +0100 (BST) Subject: [milton-chat] Minerals and Waste plan In-Reply-To: <48D37A6F.7090409@the-hug.org> References: <4383E67A36074A3A86E26ADDB441CD00@MiJanLaptop> <48D37A6F.7090409@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <2238.192.168.2.100.1221934561.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> On Fri, September 19, 2008 11:09, Paul Oldham said: > On 19/09/08 10:13, Michael Williamson wrote: > >> 3 They say that digging the hole deeper would extend the life of the >> site by a maximum of two years. > > That's the bit they didn't say to me. It's an interesting observation. > That implies the land fill site is taking in around 100,000m3 of waste a > year. Do we have any independent way of checking that figure? Aha, well not independent, but I've happened across some notes I took from a meeting about the last life extension (so winter 2004/5 I think) and at that time they (Waste Recycling Group I think) were claiming an input rate of 115,000m3 per year so the two years figure starts to sound more plausible. -- Paul From paul at the-hug.org Thu Sep 25 12:58:38 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:58:38 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Energy salesmen? Message-ID: <48DB7CEE.2070202@the-hug.org> I had a young man at my door today selling something. I don't know what as I was not in the mood and wasn't taking any prisoners so he didn't have the chance to get started but he had a meter cupboard key on a ribbon around his neck so I suspect he'll be another dodgy salesman from one of the energy companies. For those who've not been through this before do not under any circumstances let them see your meters or existing energy bills. If you do they'll have all the information they need and you may find you have been switched to another supplier ... -- Paul From paul at the-hug.org Thu Sep 25 13:01:58 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:01:58 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Last Sunday's air ambulance incident Message-ID: <48DB7DB6.8060401@the-hug.org> I don't suppose anyone has heard any more about the incident in the field down Fen Road on Sunday which resulted in us having a visit from the air ambulance? From what I saw it looked like someone was being put in a back board and passing on Tuesday I noticed that the white 4x4 which was parked there now looks in a bad way so I fear a quad bike collided with it (although I may be barking up the wrong tree entirely mind you). Whatever. I hope whoever it was is OK? -- Paul From tjfs at tjfs.com Thu Sep 25 13:07:10 2008 From: tjfs at tjfs.com (Tim Steele) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:07:10 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Energy salesmen? In-Reply-To: <48DB7CEE.2070202@the-hug.org> References: <48DB7CEE.2070202@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <11fc5cb30809250507g3ed81013m407e7f3418342444@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Paul Oldham wrote: > For those who've not been through this before do not under any > circumstances let them see your meters or existing energy bills. If you > do they'll have all the information they need and you may find you have > been switched to another supplier ... Presumably if you have an outside meter you have no way of stopping them. Tim From paul at the-hug.org Thu Sep 25 13:12:48 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:12:48 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Energy salesmen? In-Reply-To: <11fc5cb30809250507g3ed81013m407e7f3418342444@mail.gmail.com> References: <48DB7CEE.2070202@the-hug.org> <11fc5cb30809250507g3ed81013m407e7f3418342444@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DB8040.4060609@the-hug.org> On 25/09/08 13:07, Tim Steele wrote: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Paul Oldham wrote: >> For those who've not been through this before do not under any >> circumstances let them see your meters or existing energy bills. If you >> do they'll have all the information they need and you may find you have >> been switched to another supplier ... > > Presumably if you have an outside meter you have no way of stopping them. Yeah, it's a worry. Legally they are on *very* dodgy grounds if they do that as it's a civil trespass. I've not heard of anyone being had that way but nothing would surprise me. Apparently the classic route is to ask to see your bill to "check the rate you're on". On the bill is the magic number they need to start the transfer going. You can reverse it of course, but it's a pain. -- Paul From tjfs at tjfs.com Thu Sep 25 13:16:11 2008 From: tjfs at tjfs.com (Tim Steele) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:16:11 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Energy salesmen? In-Reply-To: <48DB8040.4060609@the-hug.org> References: <48DB7CEE.2070202@the-hug.org> <11fc5cb30809250507g3ed81013m407e7f3418342444@mail.gmail.com> <48DB8040.4060609@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <11fc5cb30809250516w9c66f64xcfacda9bcc712cad@mail.gmail.com> Tricky. The meter is the property of Transco etc. so isn't your property, so if they can see it without stepping onto your land I suppose they are in the clear. On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Paul Oldham wrote: > On 25/09/08 13:07, Tim Steele wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Paul Oldham wrote: >>> For those who've not been through this before do not under any >>> circumstances let them see your meters or existing energy bills. If you >>> do they'll have all the information they need and you may find you have >>> been switched to another supplier ... >> >> Presumably if you have an outside meter you have no way of stopping them. > > Yeah, it's a worry. Legally they are on *very* dodgy grounds if they do > that as it's a civil trespass. I've not heard of anyone being had that > way but nothing would surprise me. > > Apparently the classic route is to ask to see your bill to "check the > rate you're on". On the bill is the magic number they need to start the > transfer going. You can reverse it of course, but it's a pain. > From paul at the-hug.org Thu Sep 25 13:27:24 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:27:24 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Energy salesmen? In-Reply-To: <11fc5cb30809250516w9c66f64xcfacda9bcc712cad@mail.gmail.com> References: <48DB7CEE.2070202@the-hug.org> <11fc5cb30809250507g3ed81013m407e7f3418342444@mail.gmail.com> <48DB8040.4060609@the-hug.org> <11fc5cb30809250516w9c66f64xcfacda9bcc712cad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DB83AC.9080406@the-hug.org> On 25/09/08 13:16, Tim Steele wrote: > Tricky. The meter is the property of Transco etc. so isn't your > property, so if they can see it without stepping onto your land I > suppose they are in the clear. As I understand it the main issue is that the meter cupboard is *your* property and they would have to open that to see the meter. In law there's a big jump between implied right of access, which you give pretty much everyone by having an unlocked gate and a path to your front door and starting to use keys to gain access to locked cupboards. Whatever. Door-to-door salesmen: just say "no". Paul PS: I had the old traveller doing the "lucky white heather" routine at the front door on Tuesday too, it must be my week. From david at chamberlin.org.uk Thu Sep 25 13:36:08 2008 From: david at chamberlin.org.uk (Rev David Chamberlin) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:36:08 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Last Sunday's air ambulance incident In-Reply-To: <48DB7DB6.8060401@the-hug.org> References: <48DB7DB6.8060401@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <48DB85B8.5060102@chamberlin.org.uk> Paul Oldham wrote: > I don't suppose anyone has heard any more about the incident in the > field down Fen Road on Sunday which resulted in us having a visit from > the air ambulance? From what I saw it looked like someone was being put > in a back board and passing on Tuesday I noticed that the white 4x4 > which was parked there now looks in a bad way so I fear a quad bike > collided with it (although I may be barking up the wrong tree entirely > mind you). Whatever. I hope whoever it was is OK? > The white 4x4 looks as though it's been rolled, which would be enough to get pretty seriously injured even wearing a seat belt, and I'd be surprised if that were the case tooling around in a field. :-( David. -- *Rev David Chamberlin* /Rector of Milton/ The Rectory, 24 Church Lane, Milton, Cambridge, CB24 6AB *t:* 01223 861511 :: *m:* 07761 630775 www.allsaintsmilton.org.uk All Saints Milton logo From david at chamberlin.org.uk Thu Sep 25 13:41:48 2008 From: david at chamberlin.org.uk (Rev David Chamberlin) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:41:48 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Energy salesmen? In-Reply-To: <48DB83AC.9080406@the-hug.org> References: <48DB7CEE.2070202@the-hug.org> <11fc5cb30809250507g3ed81013m407e7f3418342444@mail.gmail.com> <48DB8040.4060609@the-hug.org> <11fc5cb30809250516w9c66f64xcfacda9bcc712cad@mail.gmail.com> <48DB83AC.9080406@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <48DB870C.1080102@chamberlin.org.uk> Paul Oldham wrote: > On 25/09/08 13:16, Tim Steele wrote: > > >> Tricky. The meter is the property of Transco etc. so isn't your >> property, so if they can see it without stepping onto your land I >> suppose they are in the clear. >> > > As I understand it the main issue is that the meter cupboard is *your* > property and they would have to open that to see the meter. In law > there's a big jump between implied right of access, which you give > pretty much everyone by having an unlocked gate and a path to your front > door and starting to use keys to gain access to locked cupboards. > > Whatever. Door-to-door salesmen: just say "no". > > Paul > > PS: I had the old traveller doing the "lucky white heather" routine at > the front door on Tuesday too, it must be my week. > > They came to my place this morning, I checked their ID very carefully - they were (allegedly) from Scottish Power, and the one at the door was training the other one. I gave them short shrift, and sang the praises of EbiCo, they went away very easily. I'm pretty sure they didn't try to access my meters as they are in a place that requires walking across my grass quite some distance, so would be obvious, plus they are a pain to open, so I would have noticed. I like door to door sales less and less as time goes on - it feels like such an invasion, and some are so difficult to get rid of. I concur wholeheartedly with Paul: Just say NO! David. -- *Rev David Chamberlin* /Rector of Milton/ The Rectory, 24 Church Lane, Milton, Cambridge, CB24 6AB *t:* 01223 861511 :: *m:* 07761 630775 www.allsaintsmilton.org.uk All Saints Milton logo From jane.coston at miltonvillage.org.uk Thu Sep 25 21:28:20 2008 From: jane.coston at miltonvillage.org.uk (Jane Coston) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:28:20 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Energy salesmen? In-Reply-To: <48DB870C.1080102@chamberlin.org.uk> Message-ID: <20080925202827.QKUC5827.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@worldf099ce2cb> Concern about the activities of salesmen in the area makes me think Milton residents may like the area to become a 'no cold calling' zone - any thoughts? Jane From jody.chatterjee at ntlworld.com Thu Sep 25 22:40:28 2008 From: jody.chatterjee at ntlworld.com (Jody Chatterjee) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:40:28 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Energy salesmen? In-Reply-To: <20080925202827.QKUC5827.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@worldf099ce2cb> References: <48DB870C.1080102@chamberlin.org.uk> <20080925202827.QKUC5827.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@worldf099ce2cb> Message-ID: <010101c91f57$5534a8a0$0201a8c0@CHATTERJEE01> If this is possible, I will wholeheartedly support it. I will also support any mechanism to stop cold calling by telephone....LibDem or no LibDem Jody [quoted text snipped - see http://the-hug.org/quoting.html] From jane.coston at miltonvillage.org.uk Thu Sep 25 22:48:10 2008 From: jane.coston at miltonvillage.org.uk (Jane Coston) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:48:10 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Energy salesmen? In-Reply-To: <010101c91f57$5534a8a0$0201a8c0@CHATTERJEE01> Message-ID: <20080925214821.OISH19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@worldf099ce2cb> >If this is possible, I will wholeheartedly support it. Yes it is possible Here are a few links http://www.lacors.gov.uk/lacors/ContentDetails.aspx?id=19520 This is a parish council that is looking into this at the moment: - http://parishes.lincolnshire.gov.uk/brattleby/section.asp?catId=13506 http://www.harrogate.gov.uk/immediacy-5359 http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/glos/coldcalling.htm I am thinking of asking for this to be on the parish council agenda for initial discussions. Jane From paul at the-hug.org Thu Sep 25 23:07:16 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 23:07:16 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Energy salesmen? In-Reply-To: <010101c91f57$5534a8a0$0201a8c0@CHATTERJEE01> References: <48DB870C.1080102@chamberlin.org.uk> <20080925202827.QKUC5827.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@worldf099ce2cb> <010101c91f57$5534a8a0$0201a8c0@CHATTERJEE01> Message-ID: <48DC0B94.1020104@the-hug.org> On 25/09/08 22:40, Jody Chatterjee wrote: > If this is possible, I will wholeheartedly support it. I will also support > any mechanism to stop cold calling by telephone....LibDem or no LibDem The Information Commissioner seems to be trying to put a stop to the LibDems[1] but in general we don't get cold calls any more. We've achieved this through a combination of being Telephone Preference Service registered and having Anonymous Caller Rejection[2]. The only calls that seem to get through that combination are from American's selling Florida holidays. Paul [1] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/25/lib_dems_unsolicited_calls/ [2] ACR doesn't seem to be a problem for genuine incoming calls now. The only exception we've had in recent times is Milton Primary School (keeping us on topic ;-)) who don't have a presentation number so couldn't get through. Odd really as they've got to be able to phone any parent ... From jen at nicecupofteaandasitdown.com Fri Sep 26 06:42:16 2008 From: jen at nicecupofteaandasitdown.com (Jen) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 06:42:16 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Energy salesmen? In-Reply-To: <48DC0B94.1020104@the-hug.org> References: <48DB870C.1080102@chamberlin.org.uk> <20080925202827.QKUC5827.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@worldf099ce2cb> <010101c91f57$5534a8a0$0201a8c0@CHATTERJEE01> <48DC0B94.1020104@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <8C534419-0C94-434C-BABF-3D64168045D1@nicecupofteaandasitdown.com> On 25 Sep 2008, at 23:07, Paul Oldham wrote: > > [2] ACR doesn't seem to be a problem for genuine incoming calls > now. The > only exception we've had in recent times is Milton Primary School > (keeping us on topic ;-)) who don't have a presentation number so > couldn't get through. Odd really as they've got to be able to > phone > any parent ... We used to (way back in the olden days) have that problem at Addenbrookes. They changed it, and the numbers all now start 0700 according to my phone. I always thought it was odd. Have you told the school they have a problem? I'd have thought they'd want to change that. Jen From ruthscom at fsmail.net Fri Sep 26 08:42:56 2008 From: ruthscom at fsmail.net (Ruth Kivlin) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:42:56 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [milton-chat] Energy salesmen? Message-ID: <29062973.309411222414975997.JavaMail.www@wwinf3724> If it is possible I would back making Milton a no cold calling zone ======================================== Message Received: Sep 26 2008, 02:43 AM From: "Jane Coston" To: "'Milton Chat'" Cc: Subject: Re: [milton-chat] Energy salesmen? Concern about the activities of salesmen in the area makes me think Milton residents may like the area to become a 'no cold calling' zone - any thoughts? Jane -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info and how to unsubscribe from milton-chat at: http://the-hug.net/lists/listinfo/milton-chat Ruth Kivlin From sjc74 at cam.ac.uk Fri Sep 26 08:47:25 2008 From: sjc74 at cam.ac.uk (Stephanie Clarke) Date: 26 Sep 2008 08:47:25 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Energy salesmen? In-Reply-To: <29062973.309411222414975997.JavaMail.www@wwinf3724> References: <29062973.309411222414975997.JavaMail.www@wwinf3724> Message-ID: On Sep 26 2008, Ruth Kivlin wrote: > >If it is possible I would back making Milton a no cold calling zone > I would support it too. Stephanie From nat at cantab.net Fri Sep 26 09:05:27 2008 From: nat at cantab.net (Nat Johnson) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:05:27 +0100 (BST) Subject: [milton-chat] Cold calling zone (was: Energy salesmen?) In-Reply-To: <29062973.309411222414975997.JavaMail.www@wwinf3724> References: <29062973.309411222414975997.JavaMail.www@wwinf3724> Message-ID: <61319.131.111.27.50.1222416327.squirrel@lucien.toothycat.net> I would agree wholeheartedly for doorstep traders. A couple of queries.. What would be the position for local charity collectors, like the Salvation Army chap and the nice lady who collects donations in envelopes for a number of good causes, who I don't object to at all? How would they be distinguished from aggressive charity collectors (clipboards, tabards and direct debit forms etc), who we haven't had yet, but we did get when we lived in Chesterton. How would an exercise like the parish plan questionnaire be affected if Milton was a no cold calling zone? Nat > If it is possible I would back making Milton a no cold calling zone > > > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Sep 26 2008, 02:43 AM > From: "Jane Coston" > To: "'Milton Chat'" > Cc: > Subject: Re: [milton-chat] Energy salesmen? > > > Concern about the activities of salesmen in the area makes me think Milton > residents may like the area to become a 'no cold calling' zone - any > thoughts? > Jane > > > From hazel.smith at miltonvillage.org.uk Fri Sep 26 09:50:48 2008 From: hazel.smith at miltonvillage.org.uk (Hazel Smith) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:50:48 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Energy salesmen? References: <29062973.309411222414975997.JavaMail.www@wwinf3724> Message-ID: <7AD97B565B8A4111B031CC43A620C446@scdc00002315> Did you know there are 25 No Cold Calling Zones in South Cambs? They have to be fairly small areas that have suffered from deception, predation etc in the past - most are sheltered housing areas etc not general housing areas. Cold calling in general is not illegal, provided people are given a 7-day 'cooling off' period and not expected to sign up for anything on the spot. So the salesman wanting to gravel your drive 'at a cheap price because he's got some on the lorry at the moment' is illegal, and this has been a major problem in the district. Hazel Nat wrote ... What would be the position for local charity collectors, like the Salvation Army chap and the nice lady who collects donations in envelopes for a number of good causes, who I don't object to at all? How would they be distinguished from aggressive charity collectors (clipboards, tabards and direct debit forms etc), who we haven't had yet, but we did get when we lived in Chesterton. How would an exercise like the parish plan questionnaire be affected if Milton was a no cold calling zone? From clarke.brunt at viridis.net Fri Sep 26 09:58:06 2008 From: clarke.brunt at viridis.net (Clarke Brunt) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:58:06 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Energy salesmen? In-Reply-To: <20080925214821.OISH19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@worldf099ce2cb> References: <010101c91f57$5534a8a0$0201a8c0@CHATTERJEE01> <20080925214821.OISH19289.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@worldf099ce2cb> Message-ID: <20080926085806.GA18044@brunt.org> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:48:10PM +0100, Jane Coston wrote: > Yes it is possible > http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/glos/coldcalling.htm I found that link best for summarising the idea, rather than just discussing what a particular Council is doing. One document there says: "Ideally, the area should be relatively small (20-40 properties) and easily defined by its boundary", and the support of all the residents involved is emphasised. I that sense, the whole of Milton seems a bit large to cope with. I get the impression that the idea is to discourage the rogue callers, to make them think that the residents won't be taken in, rather than there being a penalty over the normal law if they still call within the area. I've seen such a zone (in Cranfield, Beds.) - I suppose what I noticed was the 'street clutter' of the signs proclaiming the zone. And initially, surprise that there could be such a thing. Even "Is this a joke?". That wasn't meant to be discouraging (despite sounding it!). Just things that would be bound to come up. I'd be all in favour if it was made to work. From tjrc at sanger.ac.uk Fri Sep 26 13:04:12 2008 From: tjrc at sanger.ac.uk (Tim Cutts) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:04:12 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Energy salesmen? In-Reply-To: <8C534419-0C94-434C-BABF-3D64168045D1@nicecupofteaandasitdown.com> References: <48DB870C.1080102@chamberlin.org.uk> <20080925202827.QKUC5827.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@worldf099ce2cb> <010101c91f57$5534a8a0$0201a8c0@CHATTERJEE01> <48DC0B94.1020104@the-hug.org> <8C534419-0C94-434C-BABF-3D64168045D1@nicecupofteaandasitdown.com> Message-ID: On 26 Sep 2008, at 6:42 am, Jen wrote: > On 25 Sep 2008, at 23:07, Paul Oldham wrote: > >> >> [2] ACR doesn't seem to be a problem for genuine incoming calls >> now. The >> only exception we've had in recent times is Milton Primary School >> (keeping us on topic ;-)) who don't have a presentation number so >> couldn't get through. Odd really as they've got to be able to >> phone >> any parent ... I don't think Paul can blame them for that one - it's been Paul's decision to block their call, by using ACR. > We used to (way back in the olden days) have that problem at > Addenbrookes. They changed it, and the numbers all now start 0700 > according to my phone. I always thought it was odd. > > Have you told the school they have a problem? I'd have thought they'd > want to change that. I don't know. It's fairly common practice for switchboards like that to not give out a number. My workplace doesn't do it either, because (a) they don't want to give out the internal direct dialling numbers, and (b) don't want people at the other end to call the switchboard when returning, say, an unanswered call. Policy (a) I understand, Policy (b) I think is a bit silly, but it's not uncommon. Tim -- The Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute is operated by Genome Research Limited, a charity registered in England with number 1021457 and a company registered in England with number 2742969, whose registered office is 215 Euston Road, London, NW1 2BE. From paul at the-hug.org Fri Sep 26 17:24:02 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:24:02 +0100 (BST) Subject: [milton-chat] Energy salesmen? In-Reply-To: References: <48DB870C.1080102@chamberlin.org.uk> <20080925202827.QKUC5827.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@worldf099ce2cb> <010101c91f57$5534a8a0$0201a8c0@CHATTERJEE01> <48DC0B94.1020104@the-hug.org> <8C534419-0C94-434C-BABF-3D64168045D1@nicecupofteaandasitdown.com> Message-ID: <28125.192.168.2.100.1222446242.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> On Fri, September 26, 2008 13:04, Tim Cutts said: >> Odd really as [Milton Primary School] got to be able to phone any >> parent ... > > I don't think Paul can blame them for that one - it's been Paul's > decision to block their call, by using ACR. I don't think you're looking at this in the right way: they want to be able to get in touch with parents - why are they making that more difficult for themselves? It also leads to situations as it did with me where they end up having to phone Jim to ask him to phone me so that I can phone them (didn't any of them have a mobile?). As I was doing them a favour this didn't impress me a great deal to be honest, especially as their phone was continually engaged when I tried phoning them back. As for not wanting to use a presentation number it is possible (as Cambridgeshire police do for example) to not present a number, which isn't the same as withholding it. Those calls do get through if you've got ACR. I'm not sure what hoops you have to jump through to get that set up but BT clearly offer it. -- Paul From day at daybarr.com Sat Sep 27 16:05:43 2008 From: day at daybarr.com (Day Barr) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:05:43 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] [milton-news] Milton News 23/09/2008 In-Reply-To: <20080922231956.304882B8001@the-hug.vm.bytemark.co.uk> References: <20080922231956.304882B8001@the-hug.vm.bytemark.co.uk> Message-ID: <48DE4BC7.3030402@daybarr.com> Paul Oldham wrote: > Plastic Bottles Green Box > > you should be receiving your second green box sometime around now > along with a leaflet explaining how to use it. If you haven't done so > by next Saturday (27/9) then you need to phone them on 08450 450 063. No sign of a new green box for us (north end of the Rowans). Just rang the number above and the fella who deals with the plastic bottle enquiries was busy, so rang me back 5 minutes later. He took our details and said he'd make sure a box came our way. When I mentioned that I hadn't noticed any boxes being delivered to anyone on the Rowans, he said every resident would have to ring separately to ensure they get theirs. -- Day From jody.chatterjee at ntlworld.com Sat Sep 27 16:45:54 2008 From: jody.chatterjee at ntlworld.com (Jody Chatterjee) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:45:54 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] [milton-news] Milton News 23/09/2008 In-Reply-To: <48DE4BC7.3030402@daybarr.com> References: <20080922231956.304882B8001@the-hug.vm.bytemark.co.uk> <48DE4BC7.3030402@daybarr.com> Message-ID: <001801c920b8$23c51680$0201a8c0@CHATTERJEE01> We have got ours but we cannot use it until sometime in October... [quoted text snipped - see http://the-hug.org/quoting.html] From rews at mail.com Sat Sep 27 17:20:59 2008 From: rews at mail.com (Ruth) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:20:59 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] [milton-news] Milton News 23/09/2008 In-Reply-To: <48DE4BC7.3030402@daybarr.com> References: <20080922231956.304882B8001@the-hug.vm.bytemark.co.uk> <48DE4BC7.3030402@daybarr.com> Message-ID: <48DE5D6B.1050900@mail.com> Day Barr wrote: > Paul Oldham wrote: > >> Plastic Bottles Green Box >> >> you should be receiving your second green box sometime around now >> along with a leaflet explaining how to use it. If you haven't done so >> by next Saturday (27/9) then you need to phone them on 08450 450 063. >> > > No sign of a new green box for us (north end of the Rowans). I live on the Rowans (the Butt Lane end), and I was here when they delivered the plastic bottles green box. By the end of the day, there were still several sitting where they had been put by the deliverers. I would not bet my life on the exact day, but I believe it was this past Monday morning. From paul at the-hug.org Sat Sep 27 18:08:27 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:08:27 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] [milton-news] Milton News 23/09/2008 In-Reply-To: <001801c920b8$23c51680$0201a8c0@CHATTERJEE01> References: <20080922231956.304882B8001@the-hug.vm.bytemark.co.uk> <48DE4BC7.3030402@daybarr.com> <001801c920b8$23c51680$0201a8c0@CHATTERJEE01> Message-ID: <48DE688B.70801@the-hug.org> On 27/09/08 16:45, Jody Chatterjee wrote: > We have got ours but we cannot use it until sometime in October... 7th October - i.e. next green bin/box day. But today was the cut off date for them completing deliveries (as per the Milton News posting on 23/09). -- Paul From rda.998 at virgin.net Sun Sep 28 18:10:53 2008 From: rda.998 at virgin.net (Richard Davies) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:10:53 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Milton Car Owners Beware Message-ID: <002a01c9218d$2aea6700$f8e10352@chadweasel> A reminder to be on your guard as someone is continuing to steal items from cars in Milton. Last night, they got into one of our cars that was parked on a drive in the Pearson Close area, and searched the glovebox, door pockets etc. The only thing they seem to have taken was an unfashionable pair of sun glasses that cost about ?2.50. I'm sure they were disappointed to find no Sat Nav or anything else of value. Regards, Richard