From paul at the-hug.org Fri Jul 4 23:14:44 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 23:14:44 +0100 (BST) Subject: [milton-chat] Citi 2 Message-ID: <25837.192.168.2.100.1215209684.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> You may have seen me singing the praises of the new bus information service in my last milton-news mailing. Well last night we tried to take the 19:21 into town. We were due at the restaurant at 20:00 so that left us enough time even if it was 15 minutes late but given it was well past the rush hour we figured it would be on time. Nope. In the end at 19:35 we dashed back home and drove into town. On the way we saw people still waiting at bus stops down the high street for the bus so by then it was twenty minutes late and there was only another ten minutes before the next one was due so I reckon Stagecoach had just dumped the service (although it was still showing on the magical new information system as we left the house the first time). Hey ho, so much for being green. :-( -- Paul From anna.bradnam at btinternet.com Sat Jul 5 10:50:38 2008 From: anna.bradnam at btinternet.com (Anna Bradnam) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:50:38 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Citi 2 References: <25837.192.168.2.100.1215209684.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> Message-ID: <000701c8de84$950b3c50$0301a8c0@Evesham> I make a point of getting to the bus stop about 15 minutes _before_ it's due to go because sometimes they go early - however, that also means that I sometimes end up hanging around for 30 mins before the bus arrives - or indeed (if they ditched one) till the next one comes! On the whole I think the Citi 2 is a brilliant service - just has the odd blip. Anna [quoted text snipped - see http://the-hug.org/quoting.html] From sgb at cantab.net Sat Jul 5 10:54:02 2008 From: sgb at cantab.net (Simon Booth) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 10:54:02 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Citi 2 In-Reply-To: <25837.192.168.2.100.1215209684.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> (from paul@the-hug.org on Fri Jul 4 23:14:44 2008) References: <25837.192.168.2.100.1215209684.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> Message-ID: <1215251642l.6218l.0l@linnorm> On 04/07/08 23:14:44, Paul Oldham wrote: > Hey ho, so much for being green. :-( Well, I've recently been referred to my terms of employment because the C2 couldn't reliably get me into town in 50 minutes, meaning that I now have to cycle eighteen miles every day... so I suppose that's green. -- Simon From paul at the-hug.org Sat Jul 5 19:17:47 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:17:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: [milton-chat] Citi 2 In-Reply-To: <1215251642l.6218l.0l@linnorm> References: <25837.192.168.2.100.1215209684.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> <1215251642l.6218l.0l@linnorm> Message-ID: <22543.192.168.2.100.1215281867.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> On Sat, July 5, 2008 10:54, Simon Booth said: > Well, I've recently been referred to my terms of employment because the > C2 couldn't reliably get me into town in 50 minutes, meaning that I now > have to cycle eighteen miles every day... so I suppose that's green. ... and keeps you fit. We walk into town a lot now, which is similarly effective and for us takes only just over an hour even if you go the long way around via the river, but rain was predicted on Saturday night and we wanted to get there dry. -- Paul From sgb at cantab.net Sat Jul 5 21:19:30 2008 From: sgb at cantab.net (Simon Booth) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 21:19:30 +0100 (BST) Subject: [milton-chat] Citi 2 In-Reply-To: <22543.192.168.2.100.1215281867.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> References: <25837.192.168.2.100.1215209684.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> <1215251642l.6218l.0l@linnorm> <22543.192.168.2.100.1215281867.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> Message-ID: <2987.92.12.8.51.1215289170.squirrel@www.percysnoodle.com> Paul Oldham wrote: > ... and keeps you fit. You'd think. But no, mostly it just exposes me to the health dangers of shouty arseholes. AF06 XSR, I'm looking at you. -- Simon From hazel.smith at miltonvillage.org.uk Mon Jul 7 10:11:21 2008 From: hazel.smith at miltonvillage.org.uk (Hazel Smith) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:11:21 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Citi 2 References: <25837.192.168.2.100.1215209684.squirrel@home.the-hug.net><1215251642l.6218l.0l@linnorm> <22543.192.168.2.100.1215281867.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> Message-ID: <002201c8e011$6cbb01c0$0302a8c0@scdc00002315> My daughter used the Citi2 yesterday - they needed to get out of town, and waited, and waited - apparently there was a 2-hourly service, rather than the advertised hourly Sunday service. In the end they caught the X9 to the Science Park and walked from there ... Hazel > We walk into town a lot now, which is similarly effective and for us takes > only just over an hour even if you go the long way around via the river, > but rain was predicted on Saturday night and we wanted to get there dry. > From mijan at zetnet.co.uk Mon Jul 7 12:14:20 2008 From: mijan at zetnet.co.uk (Michael Williamson) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:14:20 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Citi 2 In-Reply-To: <25837.192.168.2.100.1215209684.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> References: <25837.192.168.2.100.1215209684.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> Message-ID: <001501c8e022$9adcf160$4301a8c0@MiJanLaptop> Dear all - I've forwarded the email comments about the service to Andy Campbell, MD of Stagecoach. Let's see what response I get. Michael Williamson County Councillor for Landbeach, Milton and Waterbeach Tel: 01223 860899 Mob: 07836 748587 From milton at percysnoodle.com Wed Jul 9 09:00:44 2008 From: milton at percysnoodle.com (Simon Booth) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:00:44 +0100 (BST) Subject: [milton-chat] Citi 2 In-Reply-To: <001501c8e022$9adcf160$4301a8c0@MiJanLaptop> References: <25837.192.168.2.100.1215209684.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> <001501c8e022$9adcf160$4301a8c0@MiJanLaptop> Message-ID: <52563.86.7.27.75.1215590444.squirrel@www.percysnoodle.com> Michael Williamson wrote: > I've forwarded the email comments about the service to Andy Campbell, MD > of Stagecoach. Let's see what response I get. Thanks - but it's really not Stagecoach who need to fix the problem. Granted, it might be nice if they published realistic timetables, but the reason that the C2 service is slow and unreliable is that the route is full of cars. Doubtless the drivers would use the slow, unreliable bus service as an excuse, but if they actually used the bus rather than cluttering up the roads with their unnecessary journeys then it wouldn't be slow or unreliable. It's just an excuse to avoid having to share their journey with the other users of public transport. Of course, everyone reading this knows I'm not really talking about them. Traffic is *other* drivers. -- Simon From beth at the-hug.org Wed Jul 9 09:35:58 2008 From: beth at the-hug.org (Elizabeth Oldham) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:35:58 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Citi 2 In-Reply-To: <52563.86.7.27.75.1215590444.squirrel@www.percysnoodle.com> References: <25837.192.168.2.100.1215209684.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> <001501c8e022$9adcf160$4301a8c0@MiJanLaptop> <52563.86.7.27.75.1215590444.squirrel@www.percysnoodle.com> Message-ID: <4874786E.5090407@the-hug.org> Simon Booth wrote: > excuse, but if they actually used the bus rather than cluttering up the > roads with their unnecessary journeys then it wouldn't be slow or Disagreeing with someones choice of transportation mode doesn't make their journey "unnecessary". > It's just an excuse to avoid having to share their journey > with the other users of public transport. One of many reasons me thinks. Beth From milton at percysnoodle.com Wed Jul 9 09:38:34 2008 From: milton at percysnoodle.com (Simon Booth) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:38:34 +0100 (BST) Subject: [milton-chat] Citi 2 In-Reply-To: <4874786E.5090407@the-hug.org> References: <25837.192.168.2.100.1215209684.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> <001501c8e022$9adcf160$4301a8c0@MiJanLaptop> <52563.86.7.27.75.1215590444.squirrel@www.percysnoodle.com> <4874786E.5090407@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <59221.86.7.27.75.1215592714.squirrel@www.percysnoodle.com> Elizabeth Oldham wrote: > Simon Booth wrote: >> excuse, but if they actually used the bus rather than cluttering up the >> roads with their unnecessary journeys then it wouldn't be slow or > > Disagreeing with someones choice of transportation mode doesn't make > their journey "unnecessary". True; I should have put "car" between "unnecessary" and "journeys". -- Simon From mijan at zetnet.co.uk Wed Jul 9 09:53:21 2008 From: mijan at zetnet.co.uk (Michael Williamson) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:53:21 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Citi2 - Stagecoach response Message-ID: <000701c8e1a1$3db97e10$4301a8c0@MiJanLaptop> Dear all Here is the response from Stagecoach. You'll see that some of Simon Booth's comments are echoed in what Alan Woods says. If anyone has problems with specific buses, then, as he says, details of times and dates would make it easier for him to look into the issues. Regards Michael Williamson County Councillor for Landbeach, Milton and Waterbeach Tel: 01223 860899 Mob: 07836 748587 ------------------------- Dear Mr Williamson I write in response to your email regarding the citi 2 service. Given its previous history it is encouraging to hear some of the positive comments similar to that of Anna Bradnam who states "On the whole I think the citi 2 is a brilliant service.... just the odd blip" The odd blip is I agree still the main problem with this route. Given the proximity of the A10 and A14 it is hardly surprising that the service is disrupted at times given the traffic problems suffered by both roads. Add to that the vaguaries of Mill road and Perne Road it is no wonder that we sometimes struggle to achieve the standards of reliability and punctuality that our customers expect. In relation to the specific complaints my investigations using the electronic ticket machine data have revealed the following: Thursday 3rd July The 19.21 arrived at Milton at 19.40 some 19 minutes late due to traffic congestion during the peak period. Sunday 6th July Both buses scheduled to operate did so. Both bus workings involved 6 duties in total, all of which are seen to have operated correctly. Without specific information in relation to the time of the alleged failure it is difficult to investigate or comment further. For the record we do not "dump" or "ditch" any service. Often due to traffic congestion along the route buses run significantly late and may need to be curtailed to put them back on schedule. It is also possible for there to be problems with either the vehicles or indeed the drivers. In either case we do all we can, once we are aware of the problem, to rectify matters promptly. Yours sincerely Alan Woods Operations Manager Stagecoach in Cambridge 100 Cowley Road Cambridge, CB4 0DN From dhgooding at hotmail.co.uk Thu Jul 10 09:40:38 2008 From: dhgooding at hotmail.co.uk (Don Gooding) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:40:38 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Citi2 - Stagecoach response In-Reply-To: <000701c8e1a1$3db97e10$4301a8c0@MiJanLaptop> References: <000701c8e1a1$3db97e10$4301a8c0@MiJanLaptop> Message-ID: I read Alan Woods Comments with interest. ?Given the proximity of the A10 and A14 it is hardly surprising that the service is disrupted at times given the traffic problems suffered by both roads. Add to that the vaguaries of Mill road and Perne Road it is no wonder that we sometimes struggle to achieve the standards of reliability and punctuality that our customers expect.? How long have this type of disruption been in operation on the route? Mill Road and Perne Road are still the same as they have always been and traffic restrictions on Milton Road due to road works have been in operation nearly 2 years (work on the roundabout started mid-August 2006). Surely it is possible to accurately assess the time necessary service this route by now even if it means a 15 minute service that runs closer to schedule; than the 10 minute service that operates every 30 minutes we have at the moment. Don > From: mijan at zetnet.co.uk> To: milton-chat at the-hug.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:53:21 +0100> Subject: [milton-chat] Citi2 - Stagecoach response> > Dear all> > Here is the response from Stagecoach. You'll see that some of Simon Booth's> comments are echoed in what Alan Woods says.> > If anyone has problems with specific buses, then, as he says, details of> times and dates would make it easier for him to look into the issues.> > Regards> > Michael Williamson> County Councillor for Landbeach, Milton and Waterbeach> Tel: 01223 860899> Mob: 07836 748587> > -------------------------> > Dear Mr Williamson> > I write in response to your email regarding the citi 2 service.> > Given its previous history it is encouraging to hear some of the positive> comments similar to that of Anna Bradnam who states "On the whole I think> the citi 2 is a brilliant service.... just the odd blip" The odd blip is I> agree still the main problem with this route. Given the proximity of the A10> and A14 it is hardly surprising that the service is disrupted at times given> the traffic problems suffered by both roads. Add to that the vaguaries of> Mill road and Perne Road it is no wonder that we sometimes struggle to> achieve the standards of reliability and punctuality that our customers> expect.> > In relation to the specific complaints my investigations using the> electronic ticket machine data have revealed the following:> > Thursday 3rd July> > The 19.21 arrived at Milton at 19.40 some 19 minutes late due to traffic> congestion during the peak period.> > Sunday 6th July> > Both buses scheduled to operate did so. Both bus workings involved 6 duties> in total, all of which are seen to have operated correctly. Without> specific information in relation to the time of the alleged failure it is> difficult to investigate or comment further.> > For the record we do not "dump" or "ditch" any service. Often due to traffic> congestion along the route buses run significantly late and may need to be> curtailed to put them back on schedule. It is also possible for there to be> problems with either the vehicles or indeed the drivers. In either case we> do all we can, once we are aware of the problem, to rectify matters> promptly.> > Yours sincerely> > Alan Woods> Operations Manager> Stagecoach in Cambridge> > 100 Cowley Road> Cambridge, CB4 0DN> > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> List info and how to unsubscribe from milton-chat at:> http://the-hug.net/lists/listinfo/milton-chat Invite your Facebook friends to chat on Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719649/direct/01/ From hmc at mole.bio.cam.ac.uk Thu Jul 10 10:00:47 2008 From: hmc at mole.bio.cam.ac.uk (Heather Coleman) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:00:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: [milton-chat] Citi2 - Stagecoach response In-Reply-To: References: <000701c8e1a1$3db97e10$4301a8c0@MiJanLaptop> Message-ID: I also found the comment "For the record we do not "dump" or "ditch" any service" very interesting. We had a friend staying last year who was working late each evening off Madingley Road. He used to walk back to Bridge St for ten to 11 each night to guarantee getting the last C2 back to Milton. One night, along with the rest of the assembled crowd at the stop, he had to walk all the way back to Milton when the timetabled C2 clearly wasn't going to turn up at all when it still hadn't come by 11.45pm. Either that, or it really was over ten minutes early, which also isn't exactly useful for the last bus of the day. I also gather the traffic congestion must have been terrible this Monday evening as our friends left the Waggon and Horses where we had a window seat in order to get the 21.50 back to town. It finally arrived at 22.10 by which time they were looking very worried indeed that one of them was going to have to walk all the way to Birdwood Rd. Heather On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Don Gooding wrote: > I read Alan Woods Comments with interest. > > ?Given the proximity of the A10 and A14 it is hardly surprising that the service is disrupted at times given the traffic problems suffered by both roads. Add to that the vaguaries of Mill road and Perne Road it is no wonder that we sometimes struggle to achieve the standards of reliability and punctuality that our customers expect.? > > How long have this type of disruption been in operation on the route? Mill Road and Perne Road are still the same as they have always been and traffic restrictions on Milton Road due to road works have been in operation nearly 2 years (work on the roundabout started mid-August 2006). > > Surely it is possible to accurately assess the time necessary service this route by now even if it means a 15 minute service that runs closer to schedule; than the 10 minute service that operates every 30 minutes we have at the moment. > > Don > > > From: mijan at zetnet.co.uk> To: milton-chat at the-hug.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:53:21 +0100> Subject: [milton-chat] Citi2 - Stagecoach response> > Dear all> > Here is the response from Stagecoach. You'll see that some of Simon Booth's> comments are echoed in what Alan Woods says.> > If anyone has problems with specific buses, then, as he says, details of> times and dates would make it easier for him to look into the issues.> > Regards> > Michael Williamson> County Councillor for Landbeach, Milton and Waterbeach> Tel: 01223 860899> Mob: 07836 748587> > -------------------------> > Dear Mr Williamson> > I write in response to your email regarding the citi 2 service.> > Given its previous history it is encouraging to hear some of the positive> comments similar to that of Anna Bradnam who states "On the whole I think> the citi 2 is a brilliant service.... just the odd blip" The odd blip is I> agree still the main problem with this route. Given the proximity of the A10> and A14 it is hardly surprising that the service is disrupted at times given> the traffic problems suffered by both roads. Add to that the vaguaries of> Mill road and Perne Road it is no wonder that we sometimes struggle to> achieve the standards of reliability and punctuality that our customers> expect.> > In relation to the specific complaints my investigations using the> electronic ticket machine data have revealed the following:> > Thursday 3rd July> > The 19.21 arrived at Milton at 19.40 some 19 minutes late due to traffic> congestion during the peak period.> > Sunday 6th July> > Both buses scheduled to operate did so. Both bus workings involved 6 duties> in total, all of which are seen to have operated correctly. Without> specific information in relation to the time of the alleged failure it is> difficult to investigate or comment further.> > For the record we do not "dump" or "ditch" any service. Often due to traffic> congestion along the route buses run significantly late and may need to be> curtailed to put them back on schedule. It is also possible for there to be> problems with either the vehicles or indeed the drivers. In either case we> do all we can, once we are aware of the problem, to rectify matters> promptly.> > Yours sincerely> > Alan Woods> Operations Manager> Stagecoach in Cambridge> > 100 Cowley Road> Cambridge, CB4 0DN> > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> List info and how to unsubscribe from milton-chat at:> http://the-hug.net/lists/listinfo/milton-chat > Invite your Facebook friends to chat on Messenger > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719649/direct/01/ From paul at the-hug.org Sun Jul 13 21:40:38 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:40:38 +0100 (BST) Subject: [milton-chat] White Horse Message-ID: <25216.192.168.2.100.1215981638.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> Looks like they've had an "interesting" time there this evening. We were overtaken by a police car with blues and twos on as we came through the A14/M11 cloverleaf on our way home tonight. We found them again outside the White Horse ... along with two ambulance forward response 4x4s, one proper ambulance and at least another couple of police cars! This was at 9pm, so whatever incident kicked this off must have happened shortly before. -- Paul From sjc74 at cam.ac.uk Mon Jul 14 08:40:14 2008 From: sjc74 at cam.ac.uk (Stephanie Clarke) Date: 14 Jul 2008 08:40:14 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] White Horse In-Reply-To: <25216.192.168.2.100.1215981638.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> References: <25216.192.168.2.100.1215981638.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> Message-ID: There was a police van parked there this morning when I went past (about 8am), so they might still be sorting it out. Stephanie On Jul 13 2008, Paul Oldham wrote: >Looks like they've had an "interesting" time there this evening. We were >overtaken by a police car with blues and twos on as we came through the >A14/M11 cloverleaf on our way home tonight. We found them again outside >the White Horse ... along with two ambulance forward response 4x4s, one >proper ambulance and at least another couple of police cars! This was at >9pm, so whatever incident kicked this off must have happened shortly >before. From MR at martynrayner.co.uk Mon Jul 14 13:24:32 2008 From: MR at martynrayner.co.uk (Martyn Rayner) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:24:32 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] White Horse In-Reply-To: <25216.192.168.2.100.1215981638.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> References: <25216.192.168.2.100.1215981638.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> Message-ID: <20080714132432.c5iakrqc7c4wskg4-s16@webmail.spamcop.net> Quoting Paul Oldham : > Looks like they've had an "interesting" time there this evening. We were > overtaken by a police car with blues and twos on as we came through the > A14/M11 cloverleaf on our way home tonight. We found them again outside > the White Horse ... along with two ambulance forward response 4x4s, one > proper ambulance and at least another couple of police cars! This was at > 9pm, so whatever incident kicked this off must have happened shortly > before. > From MR at martynrayner.co.uk Mon Jul 14 13:27:13 2008 From: MR at martynrayner.co.uk (Martyn Rayner) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:27:13 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] White Horse In-Reply-To: <20080714132432.c5iakrqc7c4wskg4-s16@webmail.spamcop.net> References: <25216.192.168.2.100.1215981638.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> <20080714132432.c5iakrqc7c4wskg4-s16@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <20080714132713.blrunllts0ogskkw-s16@webmail.spamcop.net> Ok I'll try again! Quoting Paul Oldham : Looks like they've had an "interesting" time there this evening. We were overtaken by a police car with blues and twos on as we came through the A14/M11 cloverleaf on our way home tonight. We found them again outside the White Horse ... along with two ambulance forward response 4x4s, one proper ambulance and at least another couple of police cars! This was at 9pm, so whatever incident kicked this off must have happened shortly before. -- Paul No quite as interesting as it may have seemed from outside. Apparently someone got a little upset at a silly comment someone else had made and hit them, something to do with Darts or Pool (apparently not even particularly drink related), unfortunately it was hard enough to knock them out, so an ambulance was called, however the ambulance control was under the impression it was a heart attack and the original ambulance was not equipped for such an emergency so a paramedic was also sent, along with an ambulance equipped with the correct equipment, hence all the ambulances, as it was a pub the police went in mob handed, but were not actually needed, the reason for the police van still there in the morning, was as the person was unconscious the scene had to be preserved for the forensic team in the morning. so some poor policeman had to spend the night in the pub. sorry it was not more interesting. Martyn From anna.bradnam at btinternet.com Mon Jul 14 19:50:14 2008 From: anna.bradnam at btinternet.com (Anna Bradnam) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:50:14 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] White Horse References: <25216.192.168.2.100.1215981638.squirrel@home.the-hug.net><20080714132432.c5iakrqc7c4wskg4-s16@webmail.spamcop.net> <20080714132713.blrunllts0ogskkw-s16@webmail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <005301c8e5e2$7bcfe190$0301a8c0@Evesham> I'm glad to hear it was less "interesting"! Anna [quoted text snipped - see http://the-hug.org/quoting.html] From rda.998 at virgin.net Mon Jul 14 20:30:27 2008 From: rda.998 at virgin.net (Richard Davies) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:30:27 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Pleasing to see that the new double yellow lines at the Jane Costen bridge are working so effectively Message-ID: <003001c8e5e8$12e6d430$3c530352@chadweasel> Earlier I avoided a car parked with two wheels on the path across the pedestrian exit and yellow lines. Mind you the driver looked as if he would have had trouble lugging himself the few extra steps it would have cost him to park safely. I'm sure the children in his car enjoyed listening to the swearing thrown in my direction after I pointed out that he might like to park in a more appropriate place. On my return trip, there was a taxi parked in the same place. Personally, I would recommend the kebabs from Tommy Tuckers in Milton Road. Regards, Richard From paul at the-hug.org Wed Jul 16 23:43:49 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:43:49 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] FS: Land Rover SIII Lightweight (unleaded conversion, very low mileage, very original) Message-ID: <487E79A5.3030309@the-hug.org> We've decided it's time to part company with Aragorn, our lovely little Land Rover SIII Lightweight. You can read all about it at http://home.the-hug.net/aragorn.html It would be lovely to see it stay in Milton. -- Paul From clarke.brunt at viridis.net Fri Jul 18 10:04:52 2008 From: clarke.brunt at viridis.net (Clarke Brunt) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:04:52 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Water leak in Cambridge Road Message-ID: <20080718090452.GA8503@brunt.org> As the subject says, there's a water leak in Cambridge Road (approx. outside Nos. 37-39). I phoned Cambridge Water about it as soon as I noticed it, some days ago now. It appears that they've inspected it and painted a blue mark on the pavement, but not actually repaired it yet - I expect it's a fairly small leak by their standards, so perhaps not top priority. Last night, the flow from it had stopped for some reason, but it was going again this morning. From paul at the-hug.org Fri Jul 18 23:20:23 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:20:23 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] FS: Land Rover SIII Lightweight (unleaded conversion, very low mileage, very original) In-Reply-To: <487E79A5.3030309@the-hug.org> References: <487E79A5.3030309@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <48811727.9030001@the-hug.org> On 16/07/08 23:43, I wrote: > We've decided it's time to part company with Aragorn, our lovely little > Land Rover SIII Lightweight. > > You can read all about it at http://home.the-hug.net/aragorn.html Now sold ... > It would be lovely to see it stay in Milton. ... to someone in the Peak District. Oh well. -- Paul From rda.998 at virgin.net Sat Jul 19 00:01:46 2008 From: rda.998 at virgin.net (Richard Davies) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:01:46 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] FS: Land Rover SIII Lightweight (unleaded conversion, very low mileage, very original) References: <487E79A5.3030309@the-hug.org> <48811727.9030001@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <001101c8e92a$41ae4f60$7e261452@chadweasel> > > On 16/07/08 23:43, I wrote: > >> We've decided it's time to part company with Aragorn, our lovely little >> Land Rover SIII Lightweight. >> >> You can read all about it at http://home.the-hug.net/aragorn.html > > Now sold ... > >> It would be lovely to see it stay in Milton. > > .... to someone in the Peak District. Oh well. > Maybe they live in Milton, Derbyshire which is almost in the Peak District (sort of). From paul at the-hug.org Sat Jul 19 08:16:19 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:16:19 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Many Miltons (was Re: FS: Land Rover SIII Lightweight ...) In-Reply-To: <001101c8e92a$41ae4f60$7e261452@chadweasel> References: <487E79A5.3030309@the-hug.org> <48811727.9030001@the-hug.org> <001101c8e92a$41ae4f60$7e261452@chadweasel> Message-ID: <488194C3.8080207@the-hug.org> On 19/07/08 00:01, Richard Davies wrote: >> On 16/07/08 23:43, I wrote: >> >>> It would be lovely to see it stay in Milton. >> .... to someone in the Peak District. Oh well. > > Maybe they live in Milton, Derbyshire which is almost in the Peak District > (sort of). Indeed. There are many Miltons (especially in Scotland). I added point 1. to this page http://www.miltonvillage.org.uk/genealogy.html after we had someone from the States emailing us who had ancestors from New Milton wanting to track them down for her (yes, really). -- Paul From sallycat123 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 20 15:34:06 2008 From: sallycat123 at hotmail.com (sally summerfield) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:34:06 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Many Miltons (was Re: FS: Land Rover SIII Lightweight ...) In-Reply-To: <488194C3.8080207@the-hug.org> References: <487E79A5.3030309@the-hug.org> <48811727.9030001@the-hug.org> <001101c8e92a$41ae4f60$7e261452@chadweasel> <488194C3.8080207@the-hug.org> Message-ID: Still, I'm sure they have more use for a 4x4 in the Peak District than the fens of Cambridgeshire and that it will be put to good use! Sally> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:16:19 +0100> From: paul at the-hug.org> To: milton-chat at the-hug.net> Subject: [milton-chat] Many Miltons (was Re: FS: Land Rover SIII Lightweight ...)> > On 19/07/08 00:01, Richard Davies wrote:> > >> On 16/07/08 23:43, I wrote:> >>> >>> It would be lovely to see it stay in Milton.> >> .... to someone in the Peak District. Oh well.> >> > Maybe they live in Milton, Derbyshire which is almost in the Peak District > > (sort of). > > Indeed.> > There are many Miltons (especially in Scotland). I added point 1. to > this page http://www.miltonvillage.org.uk/genealogy.html after we had > someone from the States emailing us who had ancestors from New Milton > wanting to track them down for her (yes, really).> > -- > Paul> -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> List info and how to unsubscribe from milton-chat at:> http://the-hug.net/lists/listinfo/milton-chat The John Lewis Clearance - save up to 50% with FREE delivery http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719806/direct/01/ From andi at raje.org.uk Mon Jul 21 06:39:24 2008 From: andi at raje.org.uk (Andi Everitt) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:39:24 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Night of the tankers Message-ID: <070133F5D81F4661AF9B1FCAA52A3D39@heligan> Hi everyone, Does anyone know what the 'facility' behind the gates next to the bungalow at 1 Ely Road is? There have been tanker lorries in there pretty much constantly since 7pm last night (so now nearly 12 hours). They're sitting there with engines running so we've just had a nights 'sleep' accompanied by tanker engine. I assume they're pumping something out? Cheers, Andi From paul at the-hug.org Mon Jul 21 09:00:15 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:00:15 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Night of the tankers In-Reply-To: <070133F5D81F4661AF9B1FCAA52A3D39@heligan> References: <070133F5D81F4661AF9B1FCAA52A3D39@heligan> Message-ID: <4884420F.3090901@the-hug.org> On 21/07/08 06:39, Andi Everitt wrote: > Does anyone know what the 'facility' behind the gates next to the bungalow > at 1 Ely Road is? There have been tanker lorries in there pretty much > constantly since 7pm last night (so now nearly 12 hours). They're sitting > there with engines running so we've just had a nights 'sleep' accompanied by > tanker engine. I assume they're pumping something out? In a word: poo. It's a sewage pumping station. It pumps sewage from Milton down to the Cambridge STW. If they've got tankers there I suspect the pumps have failed. -- Paul From anna.bradnam at btinternet.com Mon Jul 21 10:18:04 2008 From: anna.bradnam at btinternet.com (Anna Bradnam) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:18:04 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Broadband speed Message-ID: <000a01c8eb12$aef83560$0301a8c0@Evesham> I'm sure this is an old chestnut but perhaps the collective wisdom of Milton can help me. My broadband service provider is BT and I seem to get a speed of about 135 kbps (not sure if that up or download) Whilst I recognise (but don't fully understand) all the stuff about bandwidth, contention ratios, distance from the exchange etc) this does seem very slow. Is it just me or is this standard BT performance for Milton? Anna Bradnam From anna.bradnam at btinternet.com Mon Jul 21 11:18:27 2008 From: anna.bradnam at btinternet.com (Anna Bradnam) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:18:27 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Night of the tankers References: <070133F5D81F4661AF9B1FCAA52A3D39@heligan> <4884420F.3090901@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <000501c8eb1b$1e6af6f0$0301a8c0@Evesham> It's connected to the 'burst main" just outside Nos 37/39 Cambridge Road, noted earlier this week. It transpires this is not a burst main but a break in the pumped sewer main which runs from the sewage pumping station behind 1 Ely Road to the sewage works south of the A14. Apparently sewage from (some of?) the village flows by gravity into a holding tank behind 1 Ely Road and is then pumped from there to the sewage works along the (currently burst) sewer. In order to repair it they've had to pump the sewage into tankers (hence the activities reported below) for transport to the sewage works. They will continue to do this until the repair is complete. They hope to complete the repair today... Anna [quoted text snipped - see http://the-hug.org/quoting.html] From john at jtresponse.co.uk Mon Jul 21 13:28:21 2008 From: john at jtresponse.co.uk (John Taylor) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:28:21 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Broadband speed In-Reply-To: <000a01c8eb12$aef83560$0301a8c0@Evesham> References: <000a01c8eb12$aef83560$0301a8c0@Evesham> Message-ID: <488480E5.40602@jtresponse.co.uk> Anna Bradnam wrote: > I'm sure this is an old chestnut but perhaps the collective wisdom of Milton can help me. > My broadband service provider is BT and I seem to get a speed of about 135 kbps (not sure if that up or download) > Whilst I recognise (but don't fully understand) all the stuff about bandwidth, contention ratios, distance from the exchange etc) this does seem very slow. > Is it just me or is this standard BT performance for Milton? > Sounds pretty awful, but it depends how far you are from the exchange. In Old School Lane, the best I can get from BT is 1.5Mb, even if I go for their MAX package. This would be the same with any other ADSL provider, as they use the BT wires. I've now converted to Virgin Cable, which is much faster, and I have found to be much more reliable. Regards JohnT From anna.bradnam at btinternet.com Mon Jul 21 14:05:41 2008 From: anna.bradnam at btinternet.com (Anna Bradnam) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:05:41 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Broadband speed References: <000a01c8eb12$aef83560$0301a8c0@Evesham> <488480E5.40602@jtresponse.co.uk> Message-ID: <005001c8eb32$7dba4270$0301a8c0@Evesham> Thanks John Perhaps that's why I received promotional material for Virgin Broadband through my letter box today...spooky. Anna [quoted text snipped - see http://the-hug.org/quoting.html] From dave at swegen.net Mon Jul 21 14:27:31 2008 From: dave at swegen.net (Dave Swegen) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:27:31 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Broadband speed In-Reply-To: <005001c8eb32$7dba4270$0301a8c0@Evesham> References: <000a01c8eb12$aef83560$0301a8c0@Evesham> <488480E5.40602@jtresponse.co.uk> <005001c8eb32$7dba4270$0301a8c0@Evesham> Message-ID: <48848EC3.9050901@swegen.net> Anna Bradnam wrote: > Thanks John > Perhaps that's why I received promotional material for Virgin Broadband > through my letter box today...spooky. Funnily enough my switch away from VM is taking place today, and I guess I'll find out in a week or so just how bad ADSL in Milton (Butt Lane more precisely) actually is. I've found VM broadband to be reliable when I don't actually want to use it, as evenings and weekends are close to unusable, and the speed throttling is very annoying. Add to that dodgy business practices a la Phorm and awful customer services and it's been enough to tip me away from them. Cheers Dave From john at jtresponse.co.uk Mon Jul 21 14:48:35 2008 From: john at jtresponse.co.uk (John Taylor) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:48:35 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Broadband speed In-Reply-To: <48848EC3.9050901@swegen.net> References: <000a01c8eb12$aef83560$0301a8c0@Evesham> <488480E5.40602@jtresponse.co.uk> <005001c8eb32$7dba4270$0301a8c0@Evesham> <48848EC3.9050901@swegen.net> Message-ID: <488493B3.2010908@jtresponse.co.uk> Dave Swegen wrote: > Funnily enough my switch away from VM is taking place today, and I guess I'll > find out in a week or so just how bad ADSL in Milton (Butt Lane more > precisely) actually is. > They should be able to tell you what your theoretical maximum is before you switch. Who are you using ? When I was switching away from BT, I started by looking for an alternative ADSL provider. A couple of them told me that the best I would ever get would be 1.5Mb. > I've found VM broadband to be reliable when I don't actually want to use it, > as evenings and weekends are close to unusable, and the speed throttling is > very annoying. I've only had minor niggles with NTL performance, but if you are getting speed throttling, you must be downloading an awful lot of stuff. I have 3 teenagers at home here, and I don't get any throttling problems (On a 2MB connection). With BT I found the connection to be useless after 4:30 most days, and that was when it was working at all. > Add to that dodgy business practices a la Phorm and awful > customer services and it's been enough to tip me away from them. > Its BT that conducted all the secret tests with Phorm. Virgin haven't run any (that anyone has found out about), and seemed keen to distance themselves from that as soon as it hit the fan. JohnT From dave at swegen.net Mon Jul 21 15:23:40 2008 From: dave at swegen.net (Dave Swegen) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:23:40 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Broadband speed In-Reply-To: <488493B3.2010908@jtresponse.co.uk> References: <000a01c8eb12$aef83560$0301a8c0@Evesham> <488480E5.40602@jtresponse.co.uk> <005001c8eb32$7dba4270$0301a8c0@Evesham> <48848EC3.9050901@swegen.net> <488493B3.2010908@jtresponse.co.uk> Message-ID: <48849BEC.8080809@swegen.net> John Taylor wrote: > Dave Swegen wrote: >> Funnily enough my switch away from VM is taking place today, and I guess I'll >> find out in a week or so just how bad ADSL in Milton (Butt Lane more >> precisely) actually is. >> > They should be able to tell you what your theoretical maximum is before > you switch. > > Who are you using ? BT for the phone line (not much choice), and looking at going for Be Internet to be the ISP. > > When I was switching away from BT, I started by looking for an > alternative ADSL provider. > A couple of them told me that the best I would ever get would be 1.5Mb. I was told 4-ish. I guess I'll find out the truth of that :) >> I've found VM broadband to be reliable when I don't actually want to use it, >> as evenings and weekends are close to unusable, and the speed throttling is >> very annoying. > I've only had minor niggles with NTL performance, but if you are getting > speed throttling, you must be downloading an awful lot of stuff. ISO images are rather large (and there *might* be *cough* the occasional tv series to download as well *cough* :). It was also deeply annoying to find that recently some websites are only accesible if going either through a 3rd party proxy, or an undocumented VM one. > With BT I found the connection to be useless after 4:30 most days, and > that was when it was working at all. >> Add to that dodgy business practices a la Phorm and awful >> customer services and it's been enough to tip me away from them. >> > Its BT that conducted all the secret tests with Phorm. > Virgin haven't run any (that anyone has found out about), and seemed > keen to distance themselves from that as soon as it hit the fan. Possibly, but they haven't as far as I can tell ditched the whole idea, and look like they'll be part of the whole scheme. And then there is the whole BPI letter-writing can of worms as well. Basically they seem like a company desperate to lose my custom, and after a year of trying hard to overcome my natural laziness and inertia they have finally succeeded. So well done to them ;P Cheers Dave From john at jtresponse.co.uk Mon Jul 21 15:38:21 2008 From: john at jtresponse.co.uk (John Taylor) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:38:21 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Broadband speed In-Reply-To: <48849BEC.8080809@swegen.net> References: <000a01c8eb12$aef83560$0301a8c0@Evesham> <488480E5.40602@jtresponse.co.uk> <005001c8eb32$7dba4270$0301a8c0@Evesham> <48848EC3.9050901@swegen.net> <488493B3.2010908@jtresponse.co.uk> <48849BEC.8080809@swegen.net> Message-ID: <48849F5D.5020400@jtresponse.co.uk> Dave Swegen wrote: > John Taylor wrote: > >> Dave Swegen wrote: >> >>> Funnily enough my switch away from VM is taking place today, and I guess I'll >>> find out in a week or so just how bad ADSL in Milton (Butt Lane more >>> precisely) actually is. >>> >>> >> They should be able to tell you what your theoretical maximum is before >> you switch. >> >> Who are you using ? >> > > BT for the phone line (not much choice), and looking at going for Be Internet > to be the ISP. > Will be interesting to see how you get on. I may need to jump ship if Virgin start being useless for me too. Although I'm pretty much locked in with the ADSL speed that I'd get if I did change. > ISO images are rather large (and there *might* be *cough* the occasional tv > series to download as well *cough* :). It was also deeply annoying to find > that recently some websites are only accesible if going either through a 3rd > party proxy, or an undocumented VM one. > > Yes, I get the occasional ISO, but I must be downloading outside their peak period. Not had any problem with proxies since NTL dumped the 'transparent' ones. > Possibly, but they haven't as far as I can tell ditched the whole idea, and > look like they'll be part of the whole scheme. And then there is the whole > BPI letter-writing can of worms as well. > > I think they are probably pretty much all as bad as each other. Its just pot luck as to which one accidentally gets it right for you. > Basically they seem like a company desperate to lose my custom, and after a > year of trying hard to overcome my natural laziness and inertia they have > finally succeeded. So well done to them ;P > ;-) I had pretty much the same with BT. Put up with the appalling service and repeated billing errors for a couple of years. My final straw was when they suddenly started sending all correspondence to an incorrect address, and then cut me off because I hadn't replied! JohnT From anna.bradnam at btinternet.com Mon Jul 21 15:50:13 2008 From: anna.bradnam at btinternet.com (Anna Bradnam) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:50:13 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Broadband speed References: <000a01c8eb12$aef83560$0301a8c0@Evesham> <488480E5.40602@jtresponse.co.uk><005001c8eb32$7dba4270$0301a8c0@Evesham> <48848EC3.9050901@swegen.net> Message-ID: <007301c8eb41$1c4d9ff0$0301a8c0@Evesham> (Sorry folks, I'm not sure how you are properly supposed to refer to a previous poster's comments - but anyway.... > Dave said, > I've found VM broadband to be reliable when I don't actually want to use > it, > as evenings and weekends are close to unusable, and the speed throttling > is > very annoying. Add to that dodgy business practices a la Phorm and awful > customer services and it's been enough to tip me away from them. > > Cheers > Dave Err - what are the "dodgy business practices a la Phorm"? Anna [quoted text snipped - see http://the-hug.org/quoting.html] From john at jtresponse.co.uk Mon Jul 21 17:06:00 2008 From: john at jtresponse.co.uk (John Taylor) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:06:00 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Broadband speed In-Reply-To: <007301c8eb41$1c4d9ff0$0301a8c0@Evesham> References: <000a01c8eb12$aef83560$0301a8c0@Evesham> <488480E5.40602@jtresponse.co.uk><005001c8eb32$7dba4270$0301a8c0@Evesham> <48848EC3.9050901@swegen.net> <007301c8eb41$1c4d9ff0$0301a8c0@Evesham> Message-ID: <4884B3E8.1040406@jtresponse.co.uk> Anna Bradnam wrote: > (Sorry folks, I'm not sure how you are properly supposed to refer to a > previous poster's comments - but anyway.... > > >> Dave said, >> I've found VM broadband to be reliable when I don't actually want to use >> it, >> as evenings and weekends are close to unusable, and the speed throttling >> is >> very annoying. Add to that dodgy business practices a la Phorm and awful >> customer services and it's been enough to tip me away from them. >> >> Cheers >> Dave >> > > Err - what are the "dodgy business practices a la Phorm"? > > Basically some of the big ISPs were looking at selling details of everyones web browsing habits to an internet advertising company. It has been discovered that BT has even conducted secret trials of this. More details here: and here: Regards JohnT From paul at the-hug.org Mon Jul 21 17:25:50 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:25:50 +0100 (BST) Subject: [milton-chat] Quoting (was Re: Broadband speed) In-Reply-To: <007301c8eb41$1c4d9ff0$0301a8c0@Evesham> References: <000a01c8eb12$aef83560$0301a8c0@Evesham> <488480E5.40602@jtresponse.co.uk><005001c8eb32$7dba4270$0301a8c0@Evesham> <48848EC3.9050901@swegen.net> <007301c8eb41$1c4d9ff0$0301a8c0@Evesham> Message-ID: <21082.192.168.2.100.1216657550.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> On Mon, July 21, 2008 15:50, Anna Bradnam said: > (Sorry folks, I'm not sure how you are properly supposed to refer to a > previous poster's comments - but anyway.... The simplest explanation I've ever seen is this one http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html#ss3.1 There's also an article on Wikipedia here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style which explains the various quoting styles and what's good and bad about them. What I would hope we're all aiming for is either "bottom posting" or, rather more accurately, "Inline replying" (both of which the Wikipedia article discusses and illustrates). For people like you, using Outlook Express, which makes it hard to quote correctly, there's an excellent add on called OEQuoteFix which "will extend the functionality of MS Outlook Express in numerous ways! Its main purpose is to modify message composition windows on-the-fly to allow for correct quoting and to change the appearance of your plain-text replies in general. But the second feature is equally practical: OEQuoteFix can instantly color quoted passages (according to the level of indentation) as you view messages in Outlook Express.". Download it from http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix Oh, and the best illustration of why I don't like top posting goes like this: ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Because it breaks the logical sequence of the discussion. > >> Why is top-posting such a bad thing? >> >>> Top-posting. >>> >>>> What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- Paul From nat at cantab.net Mon Jul 21 18:49:32 2008 From: nat at cantab.net (Nat Johnson) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:49:32 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [milton-chat] Broadband speed In-Reply-To: <488480E5.40602@jtresponse.co.uk> References: <000a01c8eb12$aef83560$0301a8c0@Evesham> <488480E5.40602@jtresponse.co.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, John Taylor wrote: > In Old School Lane, the best I can get from BT is 1.5Mb, even if I go > for their MAX package. > This would be the same with any other ADSL provider, as they use the BT > wires. For more comparison points we're round the corner in Shirley Close using ADSL with NewNet where we get a fairly consistent 2.4Mbps on an up to 4Mb contract. We have occasional problems with it dropping but they tend to resolve fairly quickly. About nine months ago we we were getting more like 3.2Mbps consistently. To consider Anna's specific problem Anna Bradnam wrote: > I'm sure this is an old chestnut but perhaps the collective wisdom of Milton can help me. > My broadband service provider is BT and I seem to get a speed of about > 135 kbps (not sure if that up or download) > Is it just me or is this standard BT performance for Milton? If you have just switched provider you may be in a 'training period'. This isn't training for you, but for the line and infrastructure. Our 'training period' lasted about a fortnight and then we got a proper speed. Make sure your router is always on and connected as if the exchange senses a loss of connection it prolongs your training period. Hope that helps. I'd check with BT though. Nat From andi at raje.org.uk Mon Jul 21 21:35:11 2008 From: andi at raje.org.uk (Andi Everitt) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:35:11 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Night of the tankers In-Reply-To: <000501c8eb1b$1e6af6f0$0301a8c0@Evesham> References: <070133F5D81F4661AF9B1FCAA52A3D39@heligan><4884420F.3090901@the-hug.org> <000501c8eb1b$1e6af6f0$0301a8c0@Evesham> Message-ID: [quoted text snipped - see http://the-hug.org/quoting.html] From andi at raje.org.uk Mon Jul 21 21:44:33 2008 From: andi at raje.org.uk (Andi Everitt) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:44:33 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Broadband speed In-Reply-To: <000a01c8eb12$aef83560$0301a8c0@Evesham> References: <000a01c8eb12$aef83560$0301a8c0@Evesham> Message-ID: > I'm sure this is an old chestnut but perhaps the collective wisdom of > Milton can help me. > My broadband service provider is BT and I seem to get a speed of about 135 > kbps (not sure if that up or download) > Whilst I recognise (but don't fully understand) all the stuff about > bandwidth, contention ratios, distance from the exchange etc) this does > seem very slow. > Is it just me or is this standard BT performance for Milton? I'm another VM user, I haven't many complaints really. Superficially their 18 pounds per month for 2meg broadband seems expensive compared to all the 'up-to-8meg' packages out there, however I do really get close on 2meg most of the time. Also don't be afraid to barter with them once the initial offer period is over - I got 9 pounds knocked off the monthly broadband price just for gently suggesting that there were cheaper alternatives! I don't use their email (got my own server and use gmail) which is the thing I often hear grumbles about and it certainly was unreliable when I was using a few years ago. I keep thinking about moving, probably to TalkTalk (yes, yes I know they're another Phorm candidate) but would have to get a BT line installed which could cost north of 100 pounds :(, however my sister and parents both use TalkTalk which would mean free calls to them at least. HTH, Andi From andi at raje.org.uk Mon Jul 21 21:45:47 2008 From: andi at raje.org.uk (Andi Everitt) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:45:47 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Night of the tankers In-Reply-To: <000501c8eb1b$1e6af6f0$0301a8c0@Evesham> References: <070133F5D81F4661AF9B1FCAA52A3D39@heligan><4884420F.3090901@the-hug.org> <000501c8eb1b$1e6af6f0$0301a8c0@Evesham> Message-ID: > It's connected to the 'burst main" just outside Nos 37/39 Cambridge Road, > noted earlier this week. > It transpires this is not a burst main but a break in the pumped sewer > main > which runs from the sewage pumping station behind 1 Ely Road to the sewage > works south of the A14. And the water coming out of the road down there seemed so clean, surprised it didn't smell more! > Apparently sewage from (some of?) the village flows by gravity into a > holding tank behind 1 Ely Road and is then pumped from there to the sewage > works along the (currently burst) sewer. In order to repair it they've had > to pump the sewage into tankers (hence the activities reported below) for > transport to the sewage works. They will continue to do this until the > repair is complete. As off 7pm there are still tankers queuing up to keep Milton flowing ;-) > They hope to complete the repair today... Seems like they haven't made it unless they're just working really late. Cheers, Andi P.S. sorry about the empty message From tjfs at tjfs.com Mon Jul 21 22:20:01 2008 From: tjfs at tjfs.com (Tim Steele) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:20:01 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Broadband speed In-Reply-To: References: <000a01c8eb12$aef83560$0301a8c0@Evesham> Message-ID: <11fc5cb30807211420y5f774c65t8b4721a8beaebc48@mail.gmail.com> I am reliably informed you can get 2Mbps broadband and phone line rental together for ?14.50 a month from VM if you ask nicely. I can't comment on whether they are a wonderful company to deal with, except to say that I've been a customer for 10 years, not always happy but not yet sufficiently motivated to go elsewhere. Tim From david at chamberlin.org.uk Tue Jul 22 08:17:00 2008 From: david at chamberlin.org.uk (Rev David Chamberlin) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:17:00 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Broadband speed In-Reply-To: <11fc5cb30807211420y5f774c65t8b4721a8beaebc48@mail.gmail.com> References: <000a01c8eb12$aef83560$0301a8c0@Evesham> <11fc5cb30807211420y5f774c65t8b4721a8beaebc48@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4885896C.2000303@chamberlin.org.uk> Tim Steele wrote: > I am reliably informed you can get 2Mbps broadband and phone line > rental together for ?14.50 a month from VM if you ask nicely. > > I can't comment on whether they are a wonderful company to deal with, > except to say that I've been a customer for 10 years, not always happy > but not yet sufficiently motivated to go elsewhere. > > Tim > I recently moved to O2 - and I have to say it's brilliant. I'm getting almost 6meg download and 900kb upload speeds very consistently. It's over the BT line, but uses the Be Internet ADSL2+ equipment at Waterbeach exchange (O2 bought out Be a while back). And the price? That's the really amazing bit, for O2 mobile customers (Pay monthly and PAYG) it's ?7.50 per month for up to 8meg (it's still only ?12.50 if you're not a customer). If you get in before 31/7, there's no set up fee either, and you get a free wireless router, which was very straightforward to set up, even on my slightly Heath Robinson home network. And the call centre is in the UK and 0800 calls. Too good to be true? I thought so before I changed, but it does exactly what it says on the tin (box, actually, but you know what I mean ;-) ) A good Tuesday to all, David. -- *Rev David Chamberlin* /Rector of Milton/ The Rectory, 24 Church Lane, Milton, Cambridge, CB24 6AB *t:* 01223 861511 :: *m:* 07761 630775 www.allsaintsmilton.org.uk All Saints Milton logo From paul at the-hug.org Tue Jul 22 08:18:16 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:18:16 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Night of the tankers In-Reply-To: References: <070133F5D81F4661AF9B1FCAA52A3D39@heligan><4884420F.3090901@the-hug.org> <000501c8eb1b$1e6af6f0$0301a8c0@Evesham> Message-ID: <488589B8.50702@the-hug.org> On 21/07/08 21:45, Andi Everitt wrote: > As off 7pm there are still tankers queuing up to keep Milton flowing ;-) Nicely put ;-) -- Paul From dave at swegen.net Tue Jul 22 08:45:49 2008 From: dave at swegen.net (Dave Swegen) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:45:49 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Broadband speed In-Reply-To: <4885896C.2000303@chamberlin.org.uk> References: <000a01c8eb12$aef83560$0301a8c0@Evesham> <11fc5cb30807211420y5f774c65t8b4721a8beaebc48@mail.gmail.com> <4885896C.2000303@chamberlin.org.uk> Message-ID: <4885902D.3050304@swegen.net> Rev David Chamberlin wrote: >> > I recently moved to O2 - and I have to say it's brilliant. I'm getting > almost 6meg download and 900kb upload speeds very consistently. It's > over the BT line, but uses the Be Internet ADSL2+ equipment at > Waterbeach exchange (O2 bought out Be a while back). Ooooh, sounds promising, as it Be I'm going with (for various reasons related to pure technical snobbery). Having never had to deal with ADSL it's a new wonderful world to figure out. I didn't realise different companies would get different performance from the same exchange. Cheers Dave From sjc74 at cam.ac.uk Tue Jul 22 09:00:08 2008 From: sjc74 at cam.ac.uk (Stephanie Clarke) Date: 22 Jul 2008 09:00:08 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Quoting (was Re: Broadband speed) In-Reply-To: <21082.192.168.2.100.1216657550.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> References: <000a01c8eb12$aef83560$0301a8c0@Evesham> <488480E5.40602@jtresponse.co.uk><005001c8eb32$7dba4270$0301a8c0@Evesham> <48848EC3.9050901@swegen.net> <007301c8eb41$1c4d9ff0$0301a8c0@Evesham> <21082.192.168.2.100.1216657550.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> Message-ID: On Jul 21 2008, Paul Oldham wrote: > > Oh, and the best illustration of why I don't like top posting goes like > this: > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >> Because it breaks the logical sequence of the discussion. >> >>> Why is top-posting such a bad thing? >>> >>>> Top-posting. >>>> >>>>> What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? >---------------------------------------------------------------- > I like top-posting because the stuff I most want to read is at the top - I don't need to scroll through text to get to it, which can be annoying on a long discussion. The example you give does look odd but it's easy to get used to. Of course, unless you come in part way through a discussion you're unlikely to want to read the quoted post(s) - they are just there as a reminder should you need them. Although I've bottom-posted here to go with your preference :-) Stephanie From anna.bradnam at btinternet.com Tue Jul 22 09:01:46 2008 From: anna.bradnam at btinternet.com (Anna Bradnam) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:01:46 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Night of the tankers References: <070133F5D81F4661AF9B1FCAA52A3D39@heligan><4884420F.3090901@the-hug.org><000501c8eb1b$1e6af6f0$0301a8c0@Evesham> Message-ID: <002701c8ebd1$3039b680$0301a8c0@Evesham> >> It's connected to the 'burst main" just outside Nos 37/39 Cambridge Road, >> noted earlier this week. >> It transpires this is not a burst main but a >> break in the pumped sewer >> main >> which runs from the sewage pumping station behind 1 Ely Road to >> the sewage >> works south of the A14. Andi Everitt said, > And the water coming out of the road down there seemed so clean, surprised > it didn't smell more! > I thought the same, but then I suppose that proves how much clean, potable water we use to flush our loos. >> Anna > From clarke.brunt at viridis.net Tue Jul 22 09:37:23 2008 From: clarke.brunt at viridis.net (Clarke Brunt) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:37:23 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Can't log in to www.immobilise.com Message-ID: <20080722083723.GA16349@brunt.org> Well, only a tenuous connection to Milton, but anyway: Expect you're all subscribed to the Milton ecops list for emails from the police. The police messages are always recommending http://www.immobilise.com/ where you can register (for free) your various items of worth into a database which the police apparently check when stolen items are recovered. I've not really used it in anger - just registered a rather pointless item some months ago to see how it worked. Was just going to add another, but I can't log in. The site says something like "Users created before 16th July 2008 are being migrated to the new system, and have been temporarily disabled" or words to that effect. No indication how long this might take. Nothing about it on the front page. Nothing about it in the 'News' system apart from bluster about how wonderful the 'new site' is. Is anyone else getting the same? I find the lack of information or timescale compeletely unsatisfactory. One wonders if the site is currently available to the police either... From rda.998 at virgin.net Tue Jul 22 10:04:23 2008 From: rda.998 at virgin.net (Richard Davies) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:04:23 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Can't log in to www.immobilise.com References: <20080722083723.GA16349@brunt.org> Message-ID: <002901c8ebd9$efd603b0$16190952@chadweasel> Clarke Brunt wrote: > > Well, only a tenuous connection to Milton, but anyway: Expect you're all > subscribed to the Milton ecops list for emails from the police. The police > messages are always recommending http://www.immobilise.com/ where you can > register (for free) your various items of worth into a database which the > police apparently check when stolen items are recovered. > Hmmm, not sure I'd want to put details of my valuables (if I had any!) into a remote database - I think I'd keep that information to myself until after the items had been stolen. > Is anyone else getting the same? I find the lack of information or > timescale compeletely unsatisfactory. One wonders if the site is currently > available to the police either... > Perhaps the database is currently being used by some chaps in stripey shirts to check against their 'wants' list. Regards, Richard From paul at the-hug.org Tue Jul 22 14:23:32 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:23:32 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Night of the tankers In-Reply-To: References: <070133F5D81F4661AF9B1FCAA52A3D39@heligan><4884420F.3090901@the-hug.org> <000501c8eb1b$1e6af6f0$0301a8c0@Evesham> Message-ID: <4885DF54.2000001@the-hug.org> On 21/07/08 21:45, Andi Everitt wrote: > Seems like they haven't made it unless they're just working really late. When I passed the hole about half an hour ago they were filling it with hardcore. Presumably in preparation for re-tarmacking over it. There was also a tanker parked on the corner of Butt Lane with an open manhole but the blokes with it seemed to be chatting rather than doing anything. Anyway looks like it's all getting back to normal now if the hole is being filled in. -- Paul From sallycat123 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 22 17:05:50 2008 From: sallycat123 at hotmail.com (sally summerfield) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:05:50 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Night of the tankers In-Reply-To: <4885DF54.2000001@the-hug.org> References: <070133F5D81F4661AF9B1FCAA52A3D39@heligan><4884420F.3090901@the-hug.org> <000501c8eb1b$1e6af6f0$0301a8c0@Evesham> <4885DF54.2000001@the-hug.org> Message-ID: Appeared to be all done when I went by at 4pm. Sally> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:23:32 +0100> From: paul at the-hug.org> To: milton-chat at the-hug.net> Subject: Re: [milton-chat] Night of the tankers> > On 21/07/08 21:45, Andi Everitt wrote:> > > Seems like they haven't made it unless they're just working really late.> > When I passed the hole about half an hour ago they were filling it with > hardcore. Presumably in preparation for re-tarmacking over it. There was > also a tanker parked on the corner of Butt Lane with an open manhole but > the blokes with it seemed to be chatting rather than doing anything.> > Anyway looks like it's all getting back to normal now if the hole is > being filled in.> -- > Paul> -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> List info and how to unsubscribe from milton-chat at:> http://the-hug.net/lists/listinfo/milton-chat 100?s of Nikon cameras to be won with Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719808/direct/01/ From clarke.brunt at viridis.net Tue Jul 22 17:40:07 2008 From: clarke.brunt at viridis.net (Clarke Brunt) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:40:07 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Can't log in to www.immobilise.com In-Reply-To: <002901c8ebd9$efd603b0$16190952@chadweasel> References: <20080722083723.GA16349@brunt.org> <002901c8ebd9$efd603b0$16190952@chadweasel> Message-ID: <20080722164006.GA29162@brunt.org> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:04:23AM +0100, Richard Davies wrote: > Hmmm, not sure I'd want to put details of my valuables (if I had any!) into > a remote database - I think I'd keep that information to myself until after > the items had been stolen. ...but it is seriously promoted by the police and other reputable organisations. And I'm sure whoever runs it can be relied upon not to accidentally lose a disk with all the data on :-) There's been progress during the day. At least it now recognises my old username/password, but then gets some kind of database error while evidently trying to convert my old data to some new format :-( If it ever lets me log in properly again, I'll have to remind myself what personal data it contained (e.g. was there anything except email address?). From sally.milligan at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jul 24 16:27:22 2008 From: sally.milligan at yahoo.co.uk (Sally Milligan) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:27:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [milton-chat] Lead paint Message-ID: <510671.47804.qm@web25302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Does anyone know whether lead paint was used in the Coles Road houses? They were built in 1963, about when lead paint stopped being used, so I'm probably worrying unnecessarily! Thank you, Sally Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html From paul at the-hug.org Fri Jul 25 09:44:28 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:44:28 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Lead paint In-Reply-To: <510671.47804.qm@web25302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <510671.47804.qm@web25302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4889926C.6050409@the-hug.org> On 24/07/08 16:27, Sally Milligan wrote: > Does anyone know whether lead paint was used in the Coles Road > houses? They were built in 1963, about when lead paint stopped > being used, so I'm probably worrying unnecessarily! Gurk! Our bungalow was built at about the same time and it's never occurred to me I needed to worry about lead. It's asbestos I worry about. We've got an asbestos cold water header tank. Best advice is to leave it be as it's good and solid but I wonder what other asbestos board there might be around the house (soffits for example). As for your question I've no idea but you've got me worried too now ;-) -- Paul From sallycat123 at hotmail.com Fri Jul 25 10:40:37 2008 From: sallycat123 at hotmail.com (sally summerfield) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:40:37 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Lead paint In-Reply-To: <4889926C.6050409@the-hug.org> References: <510671.47804.qm@web25302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4889926C.6050409@the-hug.org> Message-ID: We lived in Coles Rd from July1962 until early 1969. Were not aware that any lead paint had been used but we did have to move out in '64 while the house was gutted and re-built due to dodgy foundations so everywhere was re-decorated then. Sally> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:44:28 +0100> From: paul at the-hug.org> To: milton-chat at the-hug.net> Subject: Re: [milton-chat] Lead paint> > On 24/07/08 16:27, Sally Milligan wrote:> > > Does anyone know whether lead paint was used in the Coles Road> > houses? They were built in 1963, about when lead paint stopped> > being used, so I'm probably worrying unnecessarily!> > Gurk! Our bungalow was built at about the same time and it's never > occurred to me I needed to worry about lead. It's asbestos I worry > about. We've got an asbestos cold water header tank. Best advice is to > leave it be as it's good and solid but I wonder what other asbestos > board there might be around the house (soffits for example).> > As for your question I've no idea but you've got me worried too now ;-)> -- > Paul> -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> List info and how to unsubscribe from milton-chat at:> http://the-hug.net/lists/listinfo/milton-chat Play and win great prizes with Live Search and Kung Fu Panda http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719966/direct/01/ From milton at percysnoodle.com Sun Jul 27 11:25:44 2008 From: milton at percysnoodle.com (Simon Booth) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:25:44 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Pet friendly hotels Message-ID: <1217154344l.6210l.0l@linnorm> Can anyone recommend place to stay in or near Milton for my parents and their dog? -- Simon From anna.bradnam at btinternet.com Sun Jul 27 12:15:58 2008 From: anna.bradnam at btinternet.com (Anna Bradnam) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:15:58 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Pet friendly hotels References: <1217154344l.6210l.0l@linnorm> Message-ID: <000f01c8efda$2535c910$0301a8c0@Evesham> Simon asked: > Can anyone recommend place to stay in or near Milton for my parents and > their dog? Not sure if they take pets but they're local: The Brambles, Green End Road, Landbeach, Cambridge, CB24 8ED 01223 861443 www.thebramblesbandb.co.uk If they can't help they may know someone else locally who can... Anna [quoted text snipped - see http://the-hug.org/quoting.html] From sallycat123 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 27 21:17:13 2008 From: sallycat123 at hotmail.com (sally summerfield) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:17:13 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Pet friendly hotels In-Reply-To: <1217154344l.6210l.0l@linnorm> References: <1217154344l.6210l.0l@linnorm> Message-ID: Have you asked at Ambassador's Lodge next to the Wagon and Horses? Sally> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:25:44 +0100> From: milton at percysnoodle.com> To: milton-chat at the-hug.net> Subject: [milton-chat] Pet friendly hotels> > Can anyone recommend place to stay in or near Milton for my parents and > their dog?> > -- > Simon> > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> List info and how to unsubscribe from milton-chat at:> http://the-hug.net/lists/listinfo/milton-chat 100?s of Nikon cameras to be won with Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719808/direct/01/ From paul at the-hug.org Mon Jul 28 20:24:23 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:24:23 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Hottest day of the year so far ... Message-ID: <488E1CE7.5040207@the-hug.org> Everyone's got all their windows open this evening trying to keep cool ... and someone down Fen Road or in Goding Way is burning leaves in their back garden so there's smoke drifting all around the houses in Church Lane and Fen Road. I despair sometimes, I really do. -- Paul From clarke.brunt at viridis.net Tue Jul 29 11:30:36 2008 From: clarke.brunt at viridis.net (Clarke Brunt) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:30:36 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] CCTV at cycle bridge Message-ID: <20080729103036.GA9658@brunt.org> CCTV at cycle bridge. Well just a comment that what looks to me like a 'temporary' CCTV camera has appeared at the village end of the Jane Coston bridge. Looks to me like it's just free-standing, with a padlocked box at the bottom, though I suppose it would be connected to permanent wiring. While mentioning the bridge: it could do with some 'care and attention'. There's still lots of broken glass on the carriageway - I think more regularly falls from the 5 lights which were smashed ages ago (pretty sure they've not been repaired yet). There are weeds growing in the gaps at the edge of the carriageway. Don't suppose it benefits from occasional visits by the road-sweeping machine, like real roads do. From hazel.smith at miltonvillage.org.uk Tue Jul 29 11:53:15 2008 From: hazel.smith at miltonvillage.org.uk (Hazel Smith) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:53:15 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] CCTV at cycle bridge References: <20080729103036.GA9658@brunt.org> Message-ID: <020501c8f169$4dee44a0$0402a8c0@scdc00002315> We were told that one CCTV camera would temporarily be looking at the traffic on the roundabout above Tesco's before being put into its final position on the cycle bridge, and I spotted it this week on the road bridge - it's currently monitoring the queue to go West along the A14 that often blocks entry onto the roundabout. We were told they would also look at the case for traffic lights exiting the village - though any data from this time of year is far from typical, and they must (surely ....) know that. Hazel [quoted text snipped - see http://the-hug.org/quoting.html] From beth at the-hug.org Wed Jul 30 22:21:25 2008 From: beth at the-hug.org (Elizabeth Oldham) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:21:25 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Hottest day of the year so far ... In-Reply-To: <488E1CE7.5040207@the-hug.org> References: <488E1CE7.5040207@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <4890DB55.3040508@the-hug.org> Paul Oldham wrote: > Everyone's got all their windows open this evening trying to keep cool > ... and someone down Fen Road or in Goding Way is burning leaves in > their back garden so there's smoke drifting all around the houses in > Church Lane and Fen Road. And again this evening. No breeze to carry it away either. WTF do they think they are doing? Despair aint the word. Beth From rda.998 at virgin.net Wed Jul 30 23:46:14 2008 From: rda.998 at virgin.net (Richard Davies) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:46:14 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Hottest day of the year so far ... References: <488E1CE7.5040207@the-hug.org> <4890DB55.3040508@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <001001c8f296$12d033f0$fa741856@chadweasel> > Paul Oldham wrote: >> Everyone's got all their windows open this evening trying to keep cool >> ... and someone down Fen Road or in Goding Way is burning leaves in >> their back garden so there's smoke drifting all around the houses in >> Church Lane and Fen Road. > Then Beth added: > And again this evening. No breeze to carry it away either. WTF do they > think they are doing? > > Despair aint the word. > Hmmm, I wondered why the washing we'd put out to dry had a smokey odour. Let's face it, some people are bloody useless at considering others. Regards, Richard From anna.bradnam at btinternet.com Thu Jul 31 10:49:05 2008 From: anna.bradnam at btinternet.com (Anna Bradnam) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:49:05 +0100 Subject: [milton-chat] Hottest day of the year so far ... References: <488E1CE7.5040207@the-hug.org> <4890DB55.3040508@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <002701c8f2f2$ade850f0$0301a8c0@Evesham> Why don't you speak to them about it? Perhaps it hasn't occurred to them that it's a nuisance to others.... Anna [quoted text snipped - see http://the-hug.org/quoting.html] From paul at the-hug.org Thu Jul 31 13:24:43 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:24:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: [milton-chat] Hottest day of the year so far ... In-Reply-To: <002701c8f2f2$ade850f0$0301a8c0@Evesham> References: <488E1CE7.5040207@the-hug.org> <4890DB55.3040508@the-hug.org> <002701c8f2f2$ade850f0$0301a8c0@Evesham> Message-ID: <7956.192.168.2.100.1217507083.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> On Thu, July 31, 2008 10:49, Anna Bradnam said: > Why don't you speak to them about it? Perhaps it hasn't occurred to them > that it's a nuisance to others.... We can't work out where it's coming from with enough accuracy. -- Paul